The Daily Mail writes something good!

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Mark Hedberg — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:27:19 GMT

One more PLT fan here - when the NSAIDs no longer work (severe pain issues) then PLT's (Poorly Leg Tablets) are my next port of call. :)

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Charlotte Marshall — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:41:12 GMT

Another vote for PLTs when Nsaids don't seem to be doing the trick. I have had some really good results with them.

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Claire McConnell — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:04:19 GMT

I hadnt even heard of PLT at vet school (only graduated in 2010) and use PLT in quite a few patients when more modern NSAIDS are beginning to fail. I think it works v well however as already said, definately not first line treatment

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Bob Russell — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:56:24 GMT

Nope! I use it regularly. I have had a number of dogs ready for euthanasia in the opinion of the owners. On to PLT and the changes can be close to miraculous. Dark ages, may be but it is a greatly undervalued drug IMO.

Not first line but a useful one to have in the armory. Those that dismiss it out of hand are doing their patients a disservice!

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plantagenet — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:33:24 GMT

ok so I am the only person in the last 100 years to ever use PLT which just shows my complete lack of ability to use anything that Noah didn't take in the ark......

I just find that when NSAIDs of all sorts and formulations, Tramadol etc are not working, I have tried PLT rather than PTS and it seems to help. The shelf life is pretty good but I don't usually finish the pot.

I realise that this is not evidence based and I should be struck off for using it, mea culpa.

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Martin Atkinson — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:05:51 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]

Probably economies of scale because so many of us have moved on...

Wynne

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....out of the dark ages (wouldn't mind seeing the Brazilian witches though).

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SteveOwen — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:06:16 GMT

Indeed Wynne. Fairly obvious I would've thought :-/

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:21:48 GMT

Probably economies of scale because so many of us have moved on

Wynne

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Bob Russell — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:06:53 GMT

[quote user="robloxley"]

[quote user="Bob Russell"]

We have a couple of dogs on PLT. It can work really well. It may be old (and quite expensive now) but some of those dogs on more modern NSAI's and tramadol do as well or better on PLT.

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It is probably the cost of having a group of witches dance naked around the Brazilian trees from which I understand the active (non-prednisolone) ingredient is extracted!

Agreed with you on the 'Poorly Leg Tablets'. But why is it now relatively so much more expensive (ie. about double what it was 5 years ago)?

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Seems the system did not like my response. I will rephrase without the word it did not like!

It is probably because of the cost of paying witches to dance without clothing around the Brazilian trees from which I understand the (non-prednisolone) active ingredient is extracted!

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Bob Russell — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:06:31 GMT

[quote user="robloxley"]

[quote user="Bob Russell"]

We have a couple of dogs on PLT. It can work really well. It may be old (and quite expensive now) but some of those dogs on more modern NSAI's and tramadol do as well or better on PLT.

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It is probably the cost of having a group of witches dance naked around the Brazilian trees from which I understand the active (non-prednisolone) ingredient is extracted!

Agreed with you on the 'Poorly Leg Tablets'. But why is it now relatively so much more expensive (ie. about double what it was 5 years ago)?

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Rob Loxley — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:01:58 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]

We have a couple of dogs on PLT. It can work really well. It may be old (and quite expensive now) but some of those dogs on more modern NSAI's and tramadol do as well or better on PLT.

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Agreed with you on the 'Poorly Leg Tablets'. But why is it now relatively so much more expensive (ie. about double what it was 5 years ago)?

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Bob Russell — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:51:21 GMT

[quote user="plantagenet"]

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"](PLT)-yes really![/quote]

There are times PLT works when nothing else will

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We have a couple of dogs on PLT. It can work really well. It may be old (and quite expensive now) but some of those dogs on more modern NSAI's and tramadol do as well or better on PLT.

Don't dismiss its place in veterinary medicine.

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plantagenet — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:25:13 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"](PLT)-yes really![/quote]

There are times PLT works when nothing else will

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Dagmar Steele — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:45:38 GMT

the oldest one one my records was 28. He did not die of old age or any illness though but because his owner (being comparably old) run him over by car....

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Martin Atkinson — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:38:54 GMT

[quote user="Louise Alexander"]

[You own cat is 26? That's amazing! I thought I was too old to see cats who are older than me now, but you cat tops it all!

Louise

The Guiness Book of Records used to have 36 as the oldest recorded cat, although I believe this has 'allegedly' been beaten. I have also seen a cat of 26, its daughter was 25 and granddaughter 24, so clearly a good line. As I've not seen a single cat over that age in 36 years I suspect the 36 year old cat was a figment of someone's imagination.

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:59:11 GMT

I'd say the increase in labrador longevity is half better hips (veterinary hipscoring )and half better treatments for arthritis-I can remember when the choices were bute, or a NSAID/steriod mixture (PLT)-yes really!

Wynne

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plantagenet — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:27:14 GMT

23 in a cat and 20 in a dog is the oldest I've seen. 26 is amazing!

My impression is that dogs particularly are living longer than they did when I was a child, not the average life expectancy because I think that would go up due to more younger dogs not dying of conditions that are now readily treatable, but the increase in healthy years at the end of life. My feeling is that this is not due mostly to veterinary care - possibly better nutrition? Any other opinions on this? The most impressive increase seems to be in labradors who seem regularly to reach 15 and 16.

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Louise6732 — Wed, 26 Oct 2011 23:11:58 GMT

[quote user="SteveOwen"]I have a cat who is 26 and has an excellent quality of life[/quote]

You own cat is 26? That's amazing! I thought I was too old to see cats who are older than me now, but you cat tops it all!

Louise

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SteveOwen — Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:56:35 GMT

[quote user="Kate Richardson"]

And do you really not think 22 years for a cat is outstanding? I think that's pretty damn good, especially if they do still have good quality of life.

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Like I said, I think it's good, but not outstanding. For one, I have a cat who is 26 and has an excellent quality of life. 20% older than 22!

104 for a human is outstanding.

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SteveOwen — Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:53:29 GMT

I'm not that patronising. I have respect for my clients.

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Martin Atkinson — Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:44:54 GMT

Actually you are doing yourself a disservice, you can use the cat/dog years to your advantage because Joe Public likes to hear it, when they question why their pet needs to be seen annually for a health check or 6 months for a dental check up or you can say, 'yes it is a year for you but its 6 or 7 years for poor Spot/Felix, would you ever go that long between visits to the doctor or dentist'? Or when they can't understand how the tumour that 'wasn't there last week' has 'suddenly grown to the size of an orange, you can say' 'yes but cancer grow 6-7 times faster in animals because of their animal years', and with the old cat that has become cachectic because 'its been off its food for a week', you can say, 'yes but they are getting older 6-7 times faster than us'. You can hear the grey cells whirring as they take it on board and see the little light shine as they can equate to that. Apart from that I feel the same about the need to have dog and cat years indeed I constantly despair about how stupid most people are and how lacking even in basic anatomical and medical knowledge they are but perhaps I show it which is why I have no clients.

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Kate Richardson — Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:20:42 GMT

[quote user="SteveOwen"]Who is that stupid that they need to compare this to an age of a human.[/quote]

er, Joe Public? I know what you are saying, but if that's what some of the public relate to, then so be it.

And do you really not think 22 years for a cat is outstanding? I think that's pretty damn good, especially if they do still have good quality of life.

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SteveOwen — Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:24:20 GMT

:-D. I'm not alone!

22 is old for a cat, yes. Who is that stupid that they need to compare this to an age of a human.

And how do the get 104 from 22?

And however they do it, it's clearly far from accurate (not that it could ever be!). 104 is outstanding for a human, 22 for a cat is good, but not outstanding.

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:40:52 GMT

[quote user="SteveOwen"]Seriously, is it just me?![/quote]

No, it's me as well.

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SteveOwen — Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:13:31 GMT

"Cat aged 104 (in human years)"

I DESPISE this NONSENSE of "cat/dog years". Every time I get asked how old a dog/cat is "in human years", I remind the owner that their pet lives on the same planet as them, therefore their 10 year old cat is 10, in Earth years.

Seriously, is it just me?!