The Future of Regulation, BVA and RCVS

Re: The Future of Regulation, BVA and RCVS

Mark Hedberg — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 07:58:47 GMT

Rereading this again, i think JGW is saying that the rcvs is worried that legal review may take away the rcvs's role as a regulator of the profession because of their mishandling of the OV and lobbying roles. He appears to say they should indeed be worried, but because of their general mishandling of the day to day veterinary work.

I may be wrong, of course.

Re: The Future of Regulation, BVA and RCVS

J G Wray — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 07:34:30 GMT

[quote user="Eamon McAllister"]Hold it. Isn't JGW simply quoting the marketing - speak bullshit excreted by the RCVS?[/quote]

Not very likely eh?

[quote user="Niall Taylor"]JWray - what is it you are proposing here? Sorry to be dense.[/quote]

I'm proposing that we are not naive and are aware enough, savvy enough, for once, to deal with change when it happens.

The RCVS are displaying a degree of ineptitude and vexatiousness towards the profession previously unseen viz handling registrations, nurse training etc and justification of overspends. They are also irritating key people at Defra, their sponsoring Ministry, over various certification issues. They are ploughing on with outmoded, outdated code based regulatory matters,and creeping into areas where they have no statutory remit. The COuncillors are manifestly enjoying reduced support at election time and, in their silence over the overspends, being cowardly and contemptuous towards those who elected them - disgusting behaviour in my view.

RCVS are putting themselves on the spot. It is not the profession, it is them.

When the test comes and despite comments about minimal Parliamentary time, there's always "minimal time" in every Parliament, it only takes effective lobbying for these things to change in six months, I would like to see the BVA's lobbying claims justified and the inevitable changes to OFR produce OFR to our liking or at least something we can cope with, run by vets.

For that to happen the debate over egulation by another means should start now, be driven by the profession and the RCVS invited to join in rather than command the process.

JGW

Re: The Future of Regulation, BVA and RCVS

Eamon McAllister — Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:51:56 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]

[quote user="J G Wray"]~"..Outcomes-focused regulation focuses on the high-level principles and outcomes that should drive the provision of services for consumers. It will see the current detailed and prescriptive rulebook replaced with a targeted, risk-based approach concentrating on the standards of service to consumers. There will be greater flexibility for firms in how they achieve outcomes (standards of service) for clients...."[/quote]

I've read this ten times and I still don't really understand it. As far as I can understand, what you are describing is exactly what the present guide is supposed to be.

Older members will remember when people could express themselves clearly.

[/quote]

Hold it. Isn't JGW simply quoting the marketing - speak bullshit excreted by the RCVS?

Re: The Future of Regulation, BVA and RCVS

Niall Taylor — Mon, 22 Aug 2011 15:00:43 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"] Older members will remember when people could express themselves clearly.[/quote]

I'm worried that with language like that I may be reading into it what I want to read into it but I took it to mean a sort of "ends justify the means" system. It would be heartening to think that the RCVS could trust us to be grown up enough so that if clinical and customer service outcomes were satisfactory individual practices could be allowed to determine their own different ways of achieving such outcomes. But then there is the nightmare of the phrase "target driven" and all the hassle of measuring outcomes that the NHS is hog-tied by at the moment.

JWray - what is it you are proposing here? Sorry to be dense.

Niall

Re: The Future of Regulation, BVA and RCVS

Bob Russell — Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:04:59 GMT

[quote user="Richard Carter"]

I no longer know who my optometrist is, get the packaged service. I am sure it is a very successful business model. Am I thrilled about it? Not really. Will I be buying a bottle of something at the end of the year for job well done? No. However I do really believe that the bar for first opinion practice should not be so high that serious chunks of the population now go without pets

[/quote]

I do know who my optometrist is! I also get a package deal and it is actually better value than going into town and using someone there.

Re: The Future of Regulation, BVA and RCVS

Richard Carter — Mon, 22 Aug 2011 10:34:09 GMT

Re: The Future of Regulation, BVA and RCVS

J G Wray — Mon, 22 Aug 2011 10:06:16 GMT

[quote user="Richard Carter"]and the biggest group of the organised veterinary groups who will form the biggest lobby group are now the corporates and having intense, specific and convoluted regulations suit their style of practice and pretty soon vet practice will be like McDonalds - all the same buildings, all same levels of stuff, clients no longer knowing and developing a relationship with the practitioner, and no clients who can afford the >£250 call out experiences any longer.[/quote]

This is a pretty cataclysmic take on future ownership, which I do not share, but at least acknowledges the fact - "Corporates" , whatever that term means, are here to stay. Dwelling on the past is pointless and current and past regimes of regulation cannot regulate them or regulate them away. Regulation of these "Alternative Business Structures", i.e. non vet owned businesses are one of the drivers behind OFR along with a change of emphasis to look at the outcome for the client/animal rather than the behaviour of the vet alone, thus clinical considerations sit better with OFR.

JGW

Re: The Future of Regulation, BVA and RCVS

Richard Carter — Mon, 22 Aug 2011 09:43:45 GMT

Yup - and the biggest group of the organised veterinary groups who will form the biggest lobby group are now the corporates and having intense, specific and convoluted regulations suit their style of practice and pretty soon vet practice will be like McDonalds - all the same buildings, all same levels of stuff, clients no longer knowing and developing a relationship with the practitioner, and no clients who can afford the >£250 call out experiences any longer.

Re: The Future of Regulation, BVA and RCVS

J G Wray — Mon, 22 Aug 2011 06:30:24 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]I've read this ten times and I still don't really understand it.[/quote]

Therein lies one of the catches, but also opportunity. This style of regulation is new. It is what a regulator chooses it to be.

It is not codified regulation, which is quintessentially what the revision of the GtPC has produced.

Codes and rigid standards are in the process of becoming passe.

JGW

Re: The Future of Regulation, BVA and RCVS

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Mon, 22 Aug 2011 00:00:48 GMT

I've read this ten times and I still don't really understand it. As far as I can understand, what you are describing is exactly what the present guide is supposed to be.

Older members will remember when people could express themselves clearly.