Breeders' 'knowledge'

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HERETIC — Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:43:24 GMT

I'm sure your obstetrics notes failed to mention that it is possible for the second uterus to be inside a completely different dog as there is no check on the veracity of the breeders who make the pedigree statements. Yes I am a nasty old cynic.

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Michael Woodhouse — Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:25:11 GMT

[quote user="Colin Cameron"]

[quote user="Wren"]Patterdales round here still look the same - long legged scruffy black terriers with faces a bit like a Border but not quite so short[/quote]

This is what I think Patterdales look like, but have you seen the website? A proportion look like staffies.

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My Patterdale look a bit staffy like. Cracking dog. She's sat on my knee as I type.

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Colin Cameron — Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:00:13 GMT

[quote user="Wren"]Patterdales round here still look the same - long legged scruffy black terriers with faces a bit like a Border but not quite so short[/quote]

This is what I think Patterdales look like, but have you seen the website? A proportion look like staffies.

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Bob Russell — Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:02:31 GMT

All breeds here have evolved in the last few years. A broadening of the head, reduction in relative nose length and a tendency towards hysteria and obsessive behaviour has become the norm in our practice.

This is not, of course because they are steadily turning into staffie crosses!!!

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Wren — Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:59:35 GMT

Patterdales round here still look the same - long legged scruffy black terriers with faces a bit like a Border but not quite so short.

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Colin Cameron — Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:56:39 GMT

[quote user="Wren"]a scruffy JRT/Border/Patterdale [/quote]

I've noticed ( see the website for them) that Patterdales seem to have evolved from a little black, hairy dog, looking slightly umkempt, into staffie crosses. Have any other "breeds" similarly changed, does anyone know?

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Wren — Tue, 24 Aug 2010 11:53:07 GMT

We have a very local variety called the Burton Terrier - a phrase pretty much applied in jest to anything that looks like a scruffy JRT/Border/Patterdale etc. cross. All fine working dogs and named in semi-affection after the farmer who breeds most of them. Outsiders do someimes go away thinking that they own a fancily named new breed though... Perhaps someone should approach the Kennel Club about getting breed recognition?

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Rob Reid — Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:40:56 GMT

[quote user="Mark Holmes"]Absolutely, a dogs breed is not just branding. Owning an inappropriate breed causes suffering for both the owners and the dogs. RSPCA, SSPCA, Vets etc should all be more vocal in encouraging some responsibility. What breeds would you advise? [/quote]

I agree with your earlier point on whippets - it surprises me that they aren't more common. I like Labs and Golden Retrievers though it is a trade off between going for a bigger stockier Lab (which is probably more sedate, but more prone to joint problems) vs smaller working stock. I have a Lab x Collie and a Whippet x Collie myself - they are a bit older now, but when they were younger I seemed to get a good trade-off for each part of cross as they settled well but are still good outdoors dogs.

As much as I hate to admit it I think smaller dogs (eg Yorkies) can often be a better bet for city people, but again there is the trade-off between having a dog that doesn't require so much exercise and carrying your dog around in handbag the whole time.

Horses for course at the end of the day, but I do feel that a lot of people choose inappropriately and if there was more support, or simply if they asked the right people for advice then these problems could be avoided in most cases.

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Mark Holmes — Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:29:10 GMT

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[quote user="Mark Holmes"]No problems with those who work huskies, with or without snow but to take a breed which is still very much a pack dog and keep it in isolation. Without sufficient exercise which for a huskie amounts to several hours running daily. In a centrally heated house is barbaric[/quote]

You could apply the same to certain Border Collies as well. I tear my hair out when I get people bringing in their young Collies complaining becuae they can only walk it for 45 minutes a day and it is tearing their house to pieces!

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Absolutely, a dogs breed is not just branding. Owning an inappropriate breed causes suffering for both the owners and the dogs. RSPCA, SSPCA, Vets etc should all be more vocal in encouraging some responsibility. What breeds would you advise? As I posted above in my original tirade I often suggest whippets but whilst not having many problems (other than poor teeth) they do break easily unfortunately. Other suggestions (beyond your favourite breed... I keep English Springers but would not suggest them to a typical punter. Yes they are worked and exercised fully)

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Rob Reid — Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:19:12 GMT

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Mark Holmes — Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:31:19 GMT

No problems with those who work huskies, with or without snow but to take a breed which is still very much a pack dog and keep it in isolation. Without sufficient exercise which for a huskie amounts to several hours running daily. In a centrally heated house is barbaric

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salome2001 — Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:55:12 GMT

one of the nurses I once worked with was keen on Huskies... and DID do that overland mushing thing without snow... working Huskies in SW London...

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Mark Holmes — Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:35:13 GMT

This thread is raising an important issue and that is of people taking on inappropriate breeds, now I would suggest that this causes more suffering than docking tails but is rarely raised as an issue, what about a campaign to raise the issue?

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Mark Holmes — Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:52:42 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

Just seen my first puppy dealer Siberian Husky. As we're aware these husky types are becoming are becoming popular and around me are replacing Rottweilers and GSDs as status dogs amongst certain ethnic groups

[/quote] Yes I've seen a phenomenal number of Huskies considering how few polar bears we have. "Forgive me if I DON'T SHIT MYSELF IN SUPRISE when they go mad and rip up your 2 bed flat tosser" is a phrase that springs to mind whilst smiling and vaccinating the poor pups. Yes they are beautiful dogs ..... When they are towing Eskimos not in a flat in Bradford! When will people realise that a dog's breed is more than branding, too many stupid stupid people. Incidentally I often advise whippets as a good breed. Gentle, will go for a walk but actually lazy given the choice. Just about as close to a dog you can turn off when not needed. Any other suggestions?

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Bob Russell — Sat, 21 Aug 2010 10:58:49 GMT

[quote user="Clive Ansell"]

Dress it how you like, but one recognised distinct breed crossed with another and different recognised distinct breed = cross breed or mongrel.

I still think if someone can spend £1300 on a puppy, they should be paying more in tax, they have more money than functional cerebral neurones.

Rescue centres in my area are bursting at the seems and will almost give them away for the cost of vaccination and neutering. Maybe they should give them a fancy fictitious "breed" name and retail them for >£1000?

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My late and great grandfather had the answer for all these crossbreeds - sell them as Lergnom Terriers (£500+), Lergnom collies (£450+) etc. The not so bright will pay crazy money for the unique.

P.S. Reverse Lergnom to find out you have been had!!!

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Laurence Webb — Sat, 21 Aug 2010 10:34:55 GMT

I spayed a CKCS yesterday. It had had a litter recently (the owners were 1st time breeders and, although they'd enjoyed the experience they didn't want to do it again). The owner remarked that they were glad it had had only 4 pups as apparently the bitch was from a litter of 13.

The breeder that the bitch came from had explained to our clients that reason that there was such a large litter was that the mother was a 'Lozenge'. Scratching my head I asked what this meant. The owner wasn't sure but had been lead to believe that this was because the mother had 2 wombs. Did I miss a page in my reproduction lecture notes?

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Charlotte Marshall — Fri, 20 Aug 2010 20:06:24 GMT

New fact I learnt this week from a lady with her new maine coon cross cat - whiskas kills maine coons! This was news to me but I was then interested to discover which good quality food she had decided to go for instead ....... yep you guessed it supermarket own brand!

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Cat Henstridge — Thu, 08 Jul 2010 21:13:07 GMT

[quote user="HERETIC"]What about banning dogs which cant breed and rear pups naturally from all shows.[/quote]

OMG, I would LOVE to see the Kennel Club bring that in as a rule. In one fell swoop we would remove all the Bull Dogs born via caesar (which was explained to me as 'normal' by a breeder recently, grrr) as well as the Pugs, French Bulldogs ect ect. In fact I would like to see any dog needing corrective/cosmetic surgeries, eg Shar Peis needing entropian ops, banned from the show ring and from breeding.

But we can dream huh!

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HERETIC — Thu, 08 Jul 2010 20:37:44 GMT

Local breeder of Newfoundlands_where do I begin?

Proudly announce that this bitch,and her mother and her grandmother have all had to have caesarians. Horrified when suggest perhaps not a good breeding line. Always wean at 3-4 weeks (WHY?) Only allow the pups to suckle for 10-25 min and take them away for 2-3 hours. The pups get colic and the bitch is getting aggressive and tries to take the pups away and hide them from the owner. These are show winning dogs and command such high prices that the breeding parents are owned by a consortium. WE are supposed to report operations to alter the conformation of dogs. What about banning dogs which cant breed and rear pups naturally from all shows.

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Lynne Faulconbridge — Sun, 04 Jul 2010 22:24:32 GMT

I had a new owner of a puppy (destined to be a pet, not show dog) tell me she was going to glue its ear as "it didn't hang right". I told her my husband's ears stick out at different angles and I have never felt the need to glue them. That shut her up quite quickly!

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Sun, 27 Jun 2010 19:11:49 GMT

[quote user="Jillian Hall"]

In the past I've treated a Dalmation-cross. This was a 6kg slightly scruffy JRT which had been fortunate enough to be born with 3 black spots on his otherwise white body thus bestowing him the title of Dalmation.

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But not quite enough to earn him the title of Dalmatian?

Mind you, I can think of a few past patients who deserved the title of Damnation

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Jillian Hall — Sun, 27 Jun 2010 10:12:26 GMT

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Catherine Williams — Sat, 26 Jun 2010 18:44:00 GMT

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[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

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definitely round here - we have loads of husky clients now and several of them hobby breeders with no money.

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I seem to be seeing a lot of huskamutes and malamute X GSDs (not sure what their fashion name is, malashep, german mute?) This seems to be the latest fashion and rather worries me as the cute fluff ball very quickly turns into a large powerful dog - malamute independence + power with GSD reactivity - not the best mix for someone who doesn't know what they're taking on.

Having said that one of my favourite patients is a malamute GSDX and an absolute sweetheart (thinks I'm the bees knees as I titbit her outrageously!) - must be one that bucks the trend

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nikki — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 15:19:35 GMT

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definitely round here - we have loads of husky clients now and several of them hobby breeders with no money.

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Martin Atkinson — Wed, 23 Jun 2010 10:01:32 GMT