Frontline use in chickens?

Re: Frontline use in chickens?

Ian Mostyn — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 11:24:31 GMT

Xeno doesn't come under the cascade as it is licensed on the small animal exemption scheme. All these products are excluded from the cascade and can safely be ignored for a different product that works as long as non-food producing.

Ian

Re: Frontline use in chickens?

Vikki Moran — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:29:58 GMT

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I'd never heard of it as a problem before, and i've used it in the garden as a spray too, but the bayer technical lady was very insistent: absolutely no, definitely not, no no no no no don't come knocking on my door if you do - sort of thing.

I gave the owner of the chickens that we were enquiring about some xeno 450 spot on. I thought that was probably the closest option under cascade.

Re: Frontline use in chickens?

Rob Loxley — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:50:07 GMT

Ivermectin?

Re: Frontline use in chickens?

Julian Earl — Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:09:29 GMT

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I emailed Merial and received this helpful answer:

Dear Ms Mitchell,

Frontline spoton can be used as an off label treatment for mite in poultry. Treatment is by one spot on the skin at the back of the neck for each bird. The spray product can also be used - the operator should put disposable gloves on, spray the frontline on the gloves and then gently rub it over the leg areas. As it is off label the statutory withdrawal periods are required - 7 days for eggs and 28 days for meat. Treatment may need to be repeated if the infestation is heavy. The client should also look at using a proprietary brand of disinfectant to treat the housing and equipment.

Regards,

Andrew Pearson.

HTH someone else.

Jacq

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Merial can say what they like but try checking with the VMD; they say it should not be used because it has no MRL. Sorry to be negative but a product licenced for another food-producing species should be used to be legal. Trouble with that is that they come in somewhat larger volumes than you are likely to need. Do you know any friendly farmers with a mite problem in poultry, cattle, or pigs?

Re: Frontline use in chickens?

jane alexander — Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:42:27 GMT

imidocloprid is widely used as an agricultural spray for crops, so I hope that it doesnt hurt the birdies that much...I have used the plant spray inside the henhouse for redmite, well ventilated after, and the hens seemed fine. Skoosh is also very useful and prob safer than anything else. Victoria Roberts advises the use of various avermectins (injectables) as spot-ons and I have tended to use these, rather than frontline.

Re: Frontline use in chickens?

Vikki Moran — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:20:51 GMT

for the record I have spoken to bayer today about the use of advocate in poultry, as a colleague was thinking we could use it for scaly leg, and saw a dose for moxidectin in the BSAVA formulary.

Bayer said absolutely not as the imidacloprid can cause nasty reactions in birds, and not to use any product containing imidacloprid. she was very forceful about it!

Instead I am going to use xeno 450 spot on.

Re: Frontline use in chickens?

Jacquin Mitchell — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:39:22 GMT

[quote user="david hopper"]'one spoton' or 'one spot on'? Also which strength of spot-on on the back of the neck please?

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Well, he says 'one spot ' so I'm reading it as one drop from a vial. All Frontline is the same strength as far as I'm aware, it just comes in different volume vials.

Jacq

Re: Frontline use in chickens?

David Hopper — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:14:33 GMT

'one spoton' or 'one spot on'? Also which strength of spot-on on the back of the neck please?

Re: Frontline use in chickens?

Jacquin Mitchell — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:25:05 GMT

I emailed Merial and received this helpful answer:

Dear Ms Mitchell,

Regards,

Andrew Pearson.

HTH someone else.

Jacq

Re: Frontline use in chickens?

Julian Earl — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:35:32 GMT

It is illegal and technically that is that.

Chickens are (as far as I am aware!) classed as a food-producing species and therefore any medicine used must have an MRL. No MRL means the product is verboten.

Re: Frontline use in chickens?

Ian Mostyn — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:51:43 GMT

Personally, I would say don't use it until you have tried everything else. There are official preparations for mites in chickens and any use would be off-label and subject to a 7 day egg withdrawal period. The only problem is when do you start the 7 days? After treatment or do you wait 3 months using the dog's duration of action? If you say they are ok and there is a problem, it is on your neck. The other place to find out would be to ring Merial (or whoever owns them this week). They often have data on off-label use in a huge range of species and may have something to help.

Ian