Feline vaccinations schedules

Re: Feline vaccinations schedules

Gina Dungworth — Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:05:01 GMT

It's a techy solution. I like techy solutions! Unfortunately not all systems at either end will be compatible with each other, and not everyone will have the technology in the first place. But for the future...

Re: Feline vaccinations schedules

Rob Loxley — Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:41:37 GMT

[quote user="Gina Dungworth"]Now if only there was an easy way of keeping track of how often the 'datasheet reactions' are really happening in the field.[/quote]

Collaboration with Practice Management System providers to allow quick reporting from within the PMS?

Re: Feline vaccinations schedules

James Allsop — Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:00:31 GMT

I use Merial Purevax with their extended licence for panleuk at every 3 years. I dont use the chlam vaccine as it is my understanding that this is more a problem in breeding and rescue establishments (anecdotally when speaking to other vets i have heard of more reactions if the cham is included ). I recommend FeLV annually for outdoor cats as I work in a city area and there are lots of cats but, although I offer it, i dont recommend FeLV for indoor ONLY cats. (how many clients when asked if their cat is an indoor cat will say yes, then when asked further if they go outside will also say yes!!! ). I feel that this is a good balance especially as these vaccines are non-adjuvanted

Re: Feline vaccinations schedules

Gina Dungworth — Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:35:59 GMT

I got in late last night from organising Brownies (only slightly easier than herding cats) and only had it on in the background. I'll try and rewatch tonight then see if it's worth starting a new thread to discuss it.

Re: Feline vaccinations schedules

Duncan Reavell — Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:59:14 GMT

awful.

do they compare notes withe daily mail?

Re: Feline vaccinations schedules

Gina Dungworth — Thu, 21 Jan 2010 06:31:14 GMT

Thank you on behalf of everyone working in my field. Now if only there was an easy way of keeping track of how often the 'datasheet reactions' are really happening in the field. Then we wouldn't have the perception on all sides that vets see more reactions than manufacturers know about.

On a related note, did anyone see Horizon last night? What was the general consensus?

Re: Feline vaccinations schedules

Rob Loxley — Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:08:24 GMT

[quote user="Gina Dungworth"]But do you report the ones you see? [/quote]

Yes we try to, for 'non-datasheet' reactions, as much as time and memory allows.

Re: Feline vaccinations schedules

Gina Dungworth — Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:50:02 GMT

It's always a balancing act. If everyone reported everything for every product, we (in the industry generally) would be swamped. If everyone reported everything they saw for one particular product (for whatever reason) but only reported the truly unexpected reactions for comparable products, then a false impression might be gained about that product.

On the other hand, without some people reporting on the 'expected' reactions, we have no way of knowing just how common they really are. Although it's commonly accepted as fact that new products generate more reports than virtually identical older products, and that reports will tail off as people get used to each products characteristics.

Over the years I've also heard some lovely old wives tales from vets about what does or doesn't increase the chances of an animal reacting to a particular product :-)

Re: Feline vaccinations schedules

Duncan Reavell — Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:52:12 GMT

[quote user="Gina Dungworth"]

But do you report the ones you see? Manufacturers can only go on the data they're given when it comes to reactions out in the big wide world, although UK vets are generally better at reporting than those elsewhere in Europe.

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To be honest, I don't tend to report the mild reactions that are no worse than as described in the data sheet adverse reactions: "vaccinated cats may develop post-vaccinal reactions including fever, vomiting, anorexia and/or vomiting which usually disappear within 24hrs", and I believe the other vets in my practice take a similar approach.

If the reactions are more severe or not of the normal pattern, then I do of course report them, case in point was only last weekend when two ragdoll cats were vaccinated on saturday morning and then vomited severely all weekend, incurring the owner a massive bill at our OOH emergency service (which the manufacturer has kindly offered to reimburse). But this does illustrate my original point that reactions to cat vaccines in general seem relatively common (and that is just the ones we hear about)

Re: Feline vaccinations schedules

Gina Dungworth — Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:45:51 GMT

Re: Feline vaccinations schedules

Rob Loxley — Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:00:32 GMT

[quote user="duncan reavell"]Does anyone know of any data regarding longevity of immunity in cats?[/quote]

Intervet/SP have panleuk data to support 'partial' vaccination with Nobivac Ducat in intervening years.

[quote user="duncan reavell"]It seems to me that we get a lot more reactions to vaccination in cats than dogs, of the transient pyrexia type[/quote]

We see quite a few kittens with (presumed calici) reactions following 1st vaccination: pyrexia +/- carpal swelling/lameness, but I've yet to see one after subsequent 2nd vaccination or booster (not to say it doesn't happen). My impression is we see many more than the manufacturers claim, due to under-reporting by vets.

Re: Feline vaccinations schedules

Duncan Reavell — Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:48:09 GMT

I see that Mike Lappin suggests FPV/FCV/FHV boosters for adult cats not more often than every three years.

Ever since the canine vaccination schedules started to offer reduced frequency of full vaccination, I have been wondering if the same would come to the feline vaccines. Does anyone know of any data regarding longevity of immunity in cats?

It seems to me that we get a lot more reactions to vaccination in cats than dogs, of the transient pyrexia type, which suggests to me we may be over-vaccinating cats which already have a well primed immune system.

Re: Feline vaccinations schedules

Ian Mostyn — Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:20:07 GMT

The problem with the schedule is it is based on US brands of vaccine, some of which are not available in Europe. They also seem to have different adjuvants, different efficacies and a much higher risk of vaccine associated (injection associated) sarcoma than in Europe. It is very difficult to translate this into a vaccine schedule we can use so at the moment, I will not be following his advice. I will still stick to the data sheets for now.

Ian

Re: Feline vaccinations schedules

Vikki Moran — Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:31:24 GMT

no, i'm not. i did attend that lecture.

for flu and enteritis: I have to say that i don't like the idea of vaccinating a kitten that frequently during the first year, it just seems an awful lot. not least of which is i doubt very much that many clients would be willing to bear the cost of it!

for FeLV - that is pretty much what i prefer to do. primary course followed by booster and then i don't repeat boosters in indoor cats, and cats that go outdoors i discuss the risks with the owners and try to make an informed decision with them. i tend to think cats that are regularly fighting, or not neutered or in a high density area should be vaccinated, but it's very much an open process.

i don't regularly use chlamydia or Bb vaccines - practice policy rather than personal choice.