Have people seen the Medivet Canvey Island stuff?

RE: Have people seen the Medivet Canvey Island stuff?

Olivia Cook — Tue, 26 Nov 2024 11:51:54 GMT

Yes. I was horrified, and I did talk by Messenger to their senior vet. Thankfully it seems to have died down a bit, but probably only until the next social media s***storm kicks off and some other poor colleagues are in the firing line :(

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janine redman — Wed, 20 Nov 2024 15:36:21 GMT

I heard that the dog had collapsed unwell necessary taken in as an emergency late in the evening . Hence the euthanasia very early in the morning . I don’t have proof that this was the case but sounded plausible.

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Arlo Guthrie — Wed, 20 Nov 2024 09:08:44 GMT

[quote userid="19228" url="~/f/non-clinical-questions/31087/have-people-seen-the-medivet-canvey-island-stuff/246063#246063"]Eventually the dog was rehomed with an attempt at some good publicity that absolutely no one was interested in . [/quote]

Always the way! The happy story doesn't sell as many papers.

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cairncross — Wed, 20 Nov 2024 08:57:53 GMT

About 5 years ago saw elderly very poor stray greyhound ooh no microchip brought to clinic by member of public gave basic treatment kept overnight FOC and in am it was collected by dog warden and taken to their dedicated vet practise . That pm i was contacted by local journalist as to why i had put the dog to sleep without owners permission , had discussion with them that no microchip that there was no known owner , that it was straying that i hadnt put the dog to sleep rather provided foc care , Turned out council vet hadn't pts either dog was alive and mainly well . 20 min later story appeared online and then in print that I had put the dog to sleep despite it having a caring owner . Thankfully for us the council vets issued a statement through their solicitor that they hadnt put it to sleep EITHER and were providing care until an owner could be traced , this redirected all the ire to the councils practise as the baying public didnt believe a word of their completely true story either even when they posted pictures of the dog with staff a few days later the public opinion was that these were faked . Eventually the dog was rehomed with an attempt at some good publicity that absolutely no one was interested in .

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Dinu Catilina — Tue, 19 Nov 2024 22:30:52 GMT

I feel sorry for these people. But we are all at risk of being subjected to social media justice and we should keep this in mind especially when dealing with charities. I will email them my recommendation and leave the rest to the owner to sort out. They chose to rescue that dog and sign that contract even if it means nothing legally.

Provide pain relief until the following day and give them 24 hours to send proof of another vet stepping in after which contact RSPCA and the police.

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Richard Carter — Tue, 19 Nov 2024 12:33:43 GMT

The other problem are these ‘leased’ bulldogs/ xl bullies etc where they on a payment plan but the original breeder theoretically has an ongoing say on breeding, caesareans, sterilisation, other health issues. It’s bad enough with only one client to deal with but when every sentence is being relayed to unknown 3rd person…

RE: Have people seen the Medivet Canvey Island stuff?

David Mills — Tue, 19 Nov 2024 08:56:51 GMT

[quote userid="4181" url="~/f/non-clinical-questions/31087/have-people-seen-the-medivet-canvey-island-stuff/246048#246048"]29.32 In relation to both dogs and cats, clients may have a contract with the shelter from which they acquired the animal such that it can be returned to that shelter, and that it may be appropriate to discuss this with them prior to euthanasia.[/quote]

"The RCVS did point to the guidance in its code of conduct that a vet’s “primary obligation is to relieve the suffering of an animal”.

The college added that requirements for the scanning of microchips to determine whether there may be other ownership interests would not apply if the animal is being euthanised on welfare grounds."

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Rob Loxley — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 19:41:53 GMT

[quote userid="5012" url="~/f/non-clinical-questions/31087/have-people-seen-the-medivet-canvey-island-stuff/246039#246039"]Ultimately, a private and confidential decision between owner and vet, nothing to do with anyone else. [/quote]

Not commenting on this case, but there was an update of the rcvs code around checking chips before euthanasia and that 3rd parties may have an interest

29.32 In relation to both dogs and cats, clients may have a contract with the shelter from which they acquired the animal such that it can be returned to that shelter, and that it may be appropriate to discuss this with them prior to euthanasia.

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Arlo Guthrie — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 18:30:21 GMT

[quote userid="8991" url="~/f/non-clinical-questions/31087/have-people-seen-the-medivet-canvey-island-stuff/246044#246044"]b) give most of them their first wash in a while.[/quote]

LOL - spluttered into my coffee.

What struck me was the outpouring of grief / anger / rage expressed about a dog the posters (a great many of them) hadn't even clapped eyes on.

I mean, forget Gaza and Ukraine, lets all light a candle for Mr Bones the dog.

Also, the unfairness of how people are now empowered to write whatever crap they feel like about vets whilst you are not able to defend yourselves because of client confidentiality (though that is probably no bad thing, as a dignified silence is probably better in these kinds of situation than fuelling the spat).

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Clive Ansell — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 16:29:43 GMT

[quote userid="8991" url="~/f/non-clinical-questions/31087/have-people-seen-the-medivet-canvey-island-stuff/246044#246044"]

Clive Ansell said:
I don't how legally binding this would or wouldn't be?

Not worth the paper it is written on.

[/quote]

If there is take home message, it maybe opens up a discussion about consent and informed consent, and whether someone who gives consent for euthanasia (or any other procedure) is actually able to do so legally, because an animal is co-owned or has more than one owner. What lengths should we all go too, to ensure that someone giving consent is legally able to?

I've had a few scenarios through my career, where there could have been doubt over ownership.

One, very similar to this; SBT rehomed by a small local rescue centre, dog finished up at surgery for a suspected splenic mass, turned out to be hepatic with multiple metastases so PTS without waking up was advised and carried out with the owners full signed consent. Rescue centre tried to claim dual ownership and treatened legal action. Told them to get lost, didn't hear anymore.

Another was a man who presented a young Border Collie for PTS for aggression. Dog was very placcid, and I sensed something was wrong, so declined. Turns out he was in the middle of a divorce and it was his (ex) wife's dog. Doing it out of spite.

Another was an elderly gentleman who presented his very sick neighbours cat, pretending it was his, registering as a client and signing all the paperwork, for PTS. Very angry owner the next day.

RE: Have people seen the Medivet Canvey Island stuff?

David Mills — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 14:47:53 GMT

[quote userid="5012" url="~/f/non-clinical-questions/31087/have-people-seen-the-medivet-canvey-island-stuff/246039#246039"]I don't how legally binding this would or wouldn't be?[/quote]

Not worth the paper it is written on.

Exactly.

[quote userid="2100" url="~/f/non-clinical-questions/31087/have-people-seen-the-medivet-canvey-island-stuff/246037#246037"]but needing a police presence is a new low. [/quote]

I saw someone commenting somewhere else that they should have just water cannoned any protesters a) to send them a message and b) give most of them their first wash in a while.

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Anthony Dennison — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 12:50:32 GMT

It would appear their Facebook page has now been made inactive/removed, and all the Google reviews are genuine rather than the doxxing that was happening last week.

I imagine the Medivet social media team and legal team have had a busy few days. Stupid thing is, Cat Henstridge put something on her instagram politely asking people not to pile on as they don't know all the details. To which, everyone piled on in the comments saying she was wrong. People are bloody stupid.

This is also the issue with 'rescues' just being a couple of crazy people thinking that they are helping animals and they know better than a qualified vet. Hope all the staff there are ok

RE: Have people seen the Medivet Canvey Island stuff?

Clive Ansell — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 09:36:02 GMT

What a terrible and difficult situation for all involved.

Ultimately, a private and confidential decision between owner and vet, nothing to do with anyone else.

It's difficult here to establish fact from social media rubbish, but it seems there was/is some confusion/debate/disagreement over ownership of the dog. The dog was placed with a new owner/adopter by a rescue centre, seemingly with some form of contract in place where the rescue centre retained rights of some sort. I don't how legally binding this would or wouldn't be?

From what I can see the dog was PTS at 8 minutes past midnight, so whether there was a reason we don't know about for it to be presented OOH, I just don't know.

Not sure if scanning and recording the microchip number would help much either, it doesn't prove ownership as far as I know.

I think Medivet should try and get that facebook BS removed.

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Arlo Guthrie — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 09:19:50 GMT

Oh my giddy aunt.

https://www.facebook.com/search/top?q=medivet%20canvey%20island

That's just appalling.

I mean, nothing new for vets to have mud thrown at them on Facebook - but needing a police presence is a new low.

https://www.vettimes.co.uk/news/police-patrols-follow-dog-euthanasia-threats-to-essex-practice

I think I can feel a film coming on.