How much would you insure a rabbit for against referral costs?

RE: How much would you insure a rabbit for against referral costs?

Neil Wheadon — Sat, 25 Nov 2023 10:14:02 GMT

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Clive Ansell said:
It is more in the region of £20 to £25 now, for each injection.

OK! So now, rather than a rip-off, it's an appalling rip-off verging upon disgraceful conduct.

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Must be something about the practices Clive works in. I see injection fees but never this high and I work in all types of practices

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Clive Ansell said:
I don't play ball, hence I am told I have a low C2

Clive Ansell said:
(C2 = management BS for % one gets back for a second consultation)

Very much analogous to Specsavers, only far worse because you're not just under pressure to sell something (which at least will be a tangible article of probably some value to the purchaser) but to "leverage" (see, I can do management-speak) the client's trust in your professionalism to extract money pointlessly.

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No practice manager has ever mentioned this to me.

Locums though may charge more ruthlessly as they don't have the emotional attachment to a client.

If I were approached given my figures, I wouldn't return. That's easy for me as a locum looking to retire, not so easy for a younger vet with local ties to the area and otherwise enjoying the job.

Neil

RE: How much would you insure a rabbit for against referral costs?

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Sat, 25 Nov 2023 01:43:52 GMT

[quote userid="5012" url="~/f/non-clinical-questions/30826/how-much-would-you-insure-a-rabbit-for-against-referral-costs/243001#243001"]Where have you been ?[/quote]

Since 1972, working in quite a number of different practices. Since 1984, running successfully an independent single-handed practice.

Obviously I've been doing something wrong because I can't afford an Audi Superhotstuff ZX OHC GT TLE XYZ 505/ 40v Canteloupe.

[quote userid="5012" url="~/f/non-clinical-questions/30826/how-much-would-you-insure-a-rabbit-for-against-referral-costs/243001#243001"]It is more in the region of £20 to £25 now, for each injection. [/quote]

OK! So now, rather than a rip-off, it's an appalling rip-off verging upon disgraceful conduct.

I dare say there are independent practices owned by veterinary surgeons who do this – I've no idea – but it's surely a characteristic approach by a corporate that doesn't actually give a toss about clients or patients as long as the mounds of money are maximised.

[quote userid="5012" url="~/f/non-clinical-questions/30826/how-much-would-you-insure-a-rabbit-for-against-referral-costs/243001#243001"]I don't play ball, hence I am told I have a low C2[/quote][quote userid="5012" url="~/f/non-clinical-questions/30826/how-much-would-you-insure-a-rabbit-for-against-referral-costs/243001#243001"](C2 = management BS for % one gets back for a second consultation)[/quote]

www.youtube.com/watch

I was going to offer you Ginger Rogers in Gold Diggers of 1933 again, but I'm not in the mood.

RE: How much would you insure a rabbit for against referral costs?

Clive Ansell — Fri, 24 Nov 2023 18:29:10 GMT

[quote userid="2131" url="~/f/non-clinical-questions/30826/how-much-would-you-insure-a-rabbit-for-against-referral-costs/242979#242979"]£10 to £15 for administering an injection, in addition to the drug cost with a fair mark-up, is a rip-off. [/quote]

Where have you been ?

It is more in the region of £20 to £25 now, for each injection.

Also, some practices like cases back the next day for a recheck; another consultation and repeat injections and they can pull another £125 or so out of the case. I don't play ball, hence I am told I have a low C2 (C2 = management BS for % one gets back for a second consultation)

RE: How much would you insure a rabbit for against referral costs?

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Thu, 23 Nov 2023 21:50:30 GMT

[quote userid="2100" url="~/f/non-clinical-questions/30826/how-much-would-you-insure-a-rabbit-for-against-referral-costs/242905#242905"]And either way, is it not reasonable to charge for administering an injection?[/quote]

No.

Other than a pound or two or maybe three, for the syringe, the needles, the disposal of same. With a sensible minimum charge – I used £2 – for really cheap drugs.

£10 to £15 for administering an injection, in addition to the drug cost with a fair mark-up, is a rip-off.

RE: How much would you insure a rabbit for against referral costs?

Clive Ansell — Thu, 23 Nov 2023 12:06:19 GMT

Think of a high enough number and double it!

There is very little point in having insurance if the maximum limit is not enough in the hour of need.

I've recently referred a dog for MRI and spinal surgery, where the overall bill was into 5 figures, and the insurance didn't even cover the cost of the >£500 consultation and the MRI scan. Pointless having it really.

I suppose it depends on expectations, cost of insurance, and how far you would go with treatments etc. Personally I wouldn't spend those sums of money on a rabbit, but I perfectly understand that many would

RE: How much would you insure a rabbit for against referral costs?

Sarah Keir — Thu, 23 Nov 2023 11:40:12 GMT

Definitely vaccinate - these are fatal diseases with highly effective vaccines. Risk will be less but not zero. The number of indoor only cats that have fleas is huge - humans bring little gifts home on their clothes. VHD is spread by biting flying insects which definitely get indoors.

RE: How much would you insure a rabbit for against referral costs?

Lucy Fleming — Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:42:31 GMT

Like Janine said, dental problems in particular can be complex and difficult to resolve, and imaging (CT or multiple rads) is needed to really deal with it "properly", and I suspect in most ileus-type cases if they were nursed and managed as well as they ideally should be, the costs would be comparable to cats and dogs (no shade on those of us trying to manage sick rabbits in GP, they can be really challenging to care for well, especially in practices that were generally set up for other species, and I'm very much including myself in the group).

If they genuinely want to do everything they can for their rabbits, I'd suggest they get a similar cover level as they would for a dog or cat, but also that they spend a lot of time researching their set up and diet and getting those right to prevent problems as far as possible!

RE: How much would you insure a rabbit for against referral costs?

Arlo Guthrie — Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:42:12 GMT

[quote userid="2131" url="~/f/non-clinical-questions/30826/how-much-would-you-insure-a-rabbit-for-against-referral-costs/242902#242902"]The need ? Or the corporate requirement?[/quote]

Not sure the need for the corporate-bash here! I mean, any evidence that injection fees are not charged by independents. And either way, is it not reasonable to charge for administering an injection?

[quote userid="9440" url="~/f/non-clinical-questions/30826/how-much-would-you-insure-a-rabbit-for-against-referral-costs/242900#242900"]If dental problems occur then CT scans would be recommended so could reach £2-£3000[/quote]

WOW!

I think back to my childhood, gazing out over the Watership Down that was our garden (or might as well have been, given the bunny population), and find it very difficult to rationalise the idea of blowing £2-3K on a rabbit! Of course their value as a companion is greater than the ones scampering across our lawn. Still, £2-3K? On teeth?

RE: How much would you insure a rabbit for against referral costs?

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Wed, 22 Nov 2023 00:21:22 GMT

[quote userid="8958" url="~/f/non-clinical-questions/30826/how-much-would-you-insure-a-rabbit-for-against-referral-costs/242894#242894"]the need to charge an injection fee on each injection[/quote]

The need ? Or the corporate requirement?

Still, if it's insured, might as well eh?

Sorry, hijacking the thread, I'll go away now.

RE: How much would you insure a rabbit for against referral costs?

janine redman — Tue, 21 Nov 2023 19:29:34 GMT

If dental problems occur then CT scans would be recommended so could reach £2-£3000

RE: How much would you insure a rabbit for against referral costs?

Arlo Guthrie — Tue, 21 Nov 2023 09:02:08 GMT

[quote userid="3685" url="~/f/non-clinical-questions/30826/how-much-would-you-insure-a-rabbit-for-against-referral-costs"]Wasn’t sure how to make it into a good question![/quote]

I had a go for you

RE: Rabbit referral costs?

Neil Wheadon — Tue, 21 Nov 2023 00:06:03 GMT

I see very few insured rabbits

In my honest opinion, unless insurance is petty cheap, I would put monies to one side as I rarely see bills running into the types of figures for cats and dogs.

The most I see is maybe £150/day for ilius and this is often driven higher by the need to charge an injection fee on each injection, which can often be £10 -£15 each and if you are injecting 4 different (small) amounts of drug, can add up.

I'd always vaccinate. HVD is a killer and although the risk is low, the bunnies will get a check up as well on an annual basis

Congratulate your relatives on getting two. Did you know that in Switzerland it's illegal to keep a solitary rabbit? Great for wellbeing

Neil