Tattooing dogs

RE: Tattooing dogs

Dinu Catilina — Thu, 30 Jul 2020 07:11:36 GMT

[quote userid="5012" url="~/001/nonclinical/f/life-in-practice-discussions/29253/tattooing-dogs/224588#224588"]Where from? I know there are veterinary practices that still hand out antibiotics, oxytocin etc to breeders, but where would they get a controlled drug like ketamine? [/quote]

Black market and not from vets. Ketamine is a widely used drug and pretty much everything can be sourced through networks that extend all the way to asian drug producers. Anaesthetics, steroids, ephedrine, etc. If people can smuggle heroin from Afganistan they'll smuggle anything.

RE: Tattooing dogs

Clive Ansell — Thu, 30 Jul 2020 06:24:27 GMT

[quote userid="9239" url="~/001/nonclinical/f/life-in-practice-discussions/29253/tattooing-dogs/224572#224572"]They can buy anaesthetics and all sorts of drugs, see the example of the breeders found cropping ears at home, they had ketamine, xylazine, antibiotics, etc. [/quote]

Where from? I know there are veterinary practices that still hand out antibiotics, oxytocin etc to breeders, but where would they get a controlled drug like ketamine? that said, when I did a volunteer stint in Greece in 2001, the charity I was working for could buy Ketamine in high street chemists quite easily.

[quote userid="9239" url="~/001/nonclinical/f/life-in-practice-discussions/29253/tattooing-dogs/224572#224572"]The truth is that as long as cars get stolen, houses get broken into, people are mugged, dog smuggling will not stop either.[/quote]

Of course, if the criminals can still ply their trade and rake in £1000's they will. Add to that gullible and stupid people happy to pay £1000's on the likes of Gumtree or pets4homes for a puppy they haven't even seen, which they see as a commodity or fashion accessory, that has not been checked or vetted in any way, and a transaction and exchange in a layby or carpark. Then in addition there is no effective regulation, legislation, enforcement or punishment to prevent it. No surprise really.

Sometimes vets get involved too! what happened to him?

RE: Tattooing dogs

Clive Ansell — Thu, 30 Jul 2020 05:53:15 GMT

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/jul/30/hot-dogs-what-soaring-puppy-thefts-tell-us-about-britain-today-dognapping-lockdown

RE: Tattooing dogs

Dinu Catilina — Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:05:40 GMT

They can buy anaesthetics and all sorts of drugs, see the example of the breeders found cropping ears at home, they had ketamine, xylazine, antibiotics, etc.

The truth is that as long as cars get stolen, houses get broken into, people are mugged, dog smuggling will not stop either.

RE: Tattooing dogs

Julian Earl — Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:54:00 GMT

This is new to me. How do criminals remove the chips or especially the tattoos? They have to precisely locate the chip then dig it out, presumably without an anaesthetic bing given? So as for removing a tattooed ear that is even worse. Who is brave enough to slice off a dog's pinna without anaesthesia. Apart from the obvious welfare/cruelty aspect, is it not obvious when a dog only has one ear-flap?! Once identified, maybe the angle is to deal with this from the cruelty aspect? I expect the legal difficulty is finding the individual responsible and having witness accounts of the procedure?

I still think that the scruff s the best place for a chip as it is our usual place to inject plus the tissue depth is great there so a chip should be harder to relocate for removal? I guess that the ciminals must have a scanner to help find them in dogs. With cats you can often feel them but rarely in dogs IME.

Any comments on this please? TIA.

RE: Tattooing dogs

Clive Ansell — Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:33:21 GMT

I guess if someone is brazen enough to cut out a microchip, they would also cut out (inguinal skin) or cut off (ear pinna) a tattoo. If the criminals are determined enough, have a market to sell them (idiots ready to pay £1000's and not buying from a credible source), little or no chance of being caught (Lack of enforcement, police not interested, no political will to do it) , then sweet FA in terms of punishment if they are caught - it ain't gonna stop any time soon.

Maybe the way forward in terms of identification would be a DNA database.

I can see from the links posted previously, that our brethren from the travelling community are involved.

I was involved in a stolen dog case about 2 years ago. I sensed something was not right within a consultation, and identified the dog and discovered it was reported stolen from its microchip. The police became involved and the dog was reunited with its rightful owner, but a criminal case was not pursed at all.

RE: Tattooing dogs

Dinu Catilina — Tue, 28 Jul 2020 22:52:49 GMT

If not inside the ear then it tends to be inguinal. If anyone is brave and stupid enough to remove a microchip then they can hack a bit of skin off and remove the tattoo (or parts of it) with it.

RE: Tattooing dogs

Mark Holmes — Tue, 28 Jul 2020 22:50:55 GMT

Why is it easy to remove unless inside the ear? I’m totally unfamiliar with tattoos.

RE: Tattooing dogs

Dinu Catilina — Tue, 28 Jul 2020 21:59:08 GMT

When I volunteered in a Romanian dog shelter we tatooed everything we castrated. It is very visible but unfortunately if someone wants to remove it they can unless it's done inside a ear. Pretty fast to do it and very visible.

RE: Tattooing dogs

Bob Russell — Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:10:04 GMT

The problem we have at the moment is that puppies are selling for really silly money. We have had a number of people that have paid over £2000 for Welsh puppy farm puppies. Some have had to fork out extra amounts to deal with the illnesses they are bringing with them.

Forcing puppy dealers underground is just encouraging the farmers!

Six puppies £12000!

RE: Tattooing dogs

Mark Holmes — Tue, 28 Jul 2020 07:30:49 GMT

https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/19/dognappers-hacked-microchip-dog-stole-puppies-13011321/amp/

www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Thieves-GOUGE-dog-s-microchip-shave-fur.html

RE: Tattooing dogs

Clive Ansell — Tue, 28 Jul 2020 07:16:47 GMT

[quote userid="7232" url="~/001/nonclinical/f/life-in-practice-discussions/29253/tattooing-dogs"]Microchipping seems a poor deterrent (often they are cut out) [/quote]

Really? I've never come across that. it must be very difficult for the criminal fraternity to remove microchips?

Maybe placing microchips in harder to remove locations, or additional chips could help?

Tattooing, why not.