kennel cough vaccine and doggy day care situations

RE: kennel cough vaccine and doggy day care situations

Michael Woodhouse — Mon, 01 Jul 2019 14:36:01 GMT

[quote user="Thomas Johnson"]I've always assumed that these are due to an infection other than bordetella or parainfluenza, hence no protection from the vaccine.[/quote]

Yes. kennel cough being a syndrome rather than a specific disease entity with various other viral and bacterial causes. I've seen vaccinated dogs with kennel cough but it doesn't seem to last anywhere near as long.

The Nobivac KC is intranasal for both bordetella and parainfluenza. The flu takes longer to seroconvert.

RE: kennel cough vaccine and doggy day care situations

Thomas Johnson — Mon, 01 Jul 2019 14:33:25 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]Not sure I rate the intranasal vaccines that highly anyway. Some still pick up KC![/quote]

I've always assumed that these are due to an infection other than bordetella or parainfluenza, hence no protection from the vaccine.

RE: kennel cough vaccine and doggy day care situations

Bob Russell — Mon, 01 Jul 2019 11:59:03 GMT

In the UK we have intranasal Bordetella and subcut Parainfluenza. For a time many years ago there was an injectable vaccine but that seems to have gone off the market pretty promptly.

Not seen a particularly ill dog with KC and I treat them with NSAI's. No antibiotics.

The seriously unwell cases seen in some rescues appear to be mixed infections including distemper.

As with whooping cough in children it seems to be the very, very young that have problems. For the rest it is a nuisance.

Not sure I rate the intranasal vaccines that highly anyway. Some still pick up KC!

RE: kennel cough vaccine and doggy day care situations

Aine Seavers — Sun, 30 Jun 2019 02:59:39 GMT

Really-that is very interesting. There was some work done back around 2009-10 suggesting following an intranasal with an intranasal gave reduced protection as there was enough residual protection left to knock out the follow up vaccine from 'taking' but not a disease challenge.

I think Prof John Ellis, the respiratory research vet may have published something on this-certainly Mark Kelman over here did some vaccine update general reading and the suggestion was a concern.

We can get horrendous canine cough here-not canine flu-tho sometimes the 7 pcr swabs come back with infectious agents not covered by the vaccine- which is fair enough but about 10 years ago we got hit with a variant that no in contact vaccinate came down with but the non vacc did and they died horribly. When you picked them up and tilted them down-about half a bucket of foul smelling fluid would pour out of their lungs so poor things were drowning in fluid. We ended up saving them by using dual antibiotics, diuretics, millophy. coupage and steam and pain relief.

Around that time we stopped yearly intranasals and went with subcut boosters-touch wood.... so far so good.

RE: kennel cough vaccine and doggy day care situations

Michael Woodhouse — Sun, 30 Jun 2019 02:48:27 GMT

In the UK all kennel cough vaccines are intra-nasal (as far as I know). Always treat dogs as normal afterwards and have never seen any reaction other than the initial sneeze/reluctance.

RE: kennel cough vaccine and doggy day care situations

Aine Seavers — Sun, 30 Jun 2019 02:41:12 GMT

I was of the impression a s/c booster KC had no withhold time. The intranasal had a 5 days and we always recommend at least 48hrs of quietness after the intranasal-no running or ball games or any thing to make the dog pant in xs. Doing that we just stopped post intranasal transient vaccine cough in it tracks-which was only a bother to the client but where one can allay vaccine 'reaction' client worries then best to.

RE: kennel cough vaccine and doggy day care situations

Michael Woodhouse — Sun, 30 Jun 2019 01:04:15 GMT

[quote user="Claire Godfrey"]For dogs that go in kennels obviously there is the 2 weeks that they need to have had the vaccine before they go in.[/quote]

3 days?

There is a published challenge study showing 13 months protection from the vaccine, so if just a booster then no wait needed.

At the end of the day kennel cough bothers the owner much more than the dog.

RE: kennel cough vaccine and doggy day care situations

Gillian Mostyn — Sat, 29 Jun 2019 20:29:50 GMT

As long as all the other dogs are also vaccinated, and it is up to date with vaccs so won't develop the disease post vacc anyway, surely there is no risk?

RE: kennel cough vaccine and doggy day care situations

Sammy82 — Sat, 29 Jun 2019 15:00:36 GMT

I always thought the two week wait is the onset of immunity rather than risk to other dogs from live vaccine. Surely this risk is small anyway, and minimal assuming all dogs in kennel/daycare are vaccinated. If booster vacc I don't think a waiting time is necessary at all.

RE: kennel cough vaccine and doggy day care situations

Rob Loxley — Sat, 29 Jun 2019 14:38:02 GMT

[quote user="Claire Godfrey"]For dogs that go in kennels obviously there is the 2 weeks that they need to have had the vaccine before they go in[/quote] Is this risk overstated?