Licensed breeding establishments

RE: Licensed breeding establishments

Gillian Mostyn — Sun, 19 May 2019 14:22:39 GMT

Thank you David...very helpful.

RE: Licensed breeding establishments

David Mills — Sun, 19 May 2019 14:14:02 GMT

[quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]That's what I was thinking...if I just charge hourly, then my admin time needs to be included too. Hmm...[/quote]

https://www.royalgreenwich.gov.uk/info/200300/other_licences/2025/animal_licences/4

Looking at the prices a local council typically charges, I'd charge hourly for everything involved with it.

RE: Licensed breeding establishments

janine redman — Wed, 15 May 2019 14:11:06 GMT

It is a good start in trying to improve welfare standards in breeding establishments, in combination with the requirement to see a puppy with its mother it will help to reduce importation of illegal puppies by requiring a licence to advertise. It is not perfect and to start with the better breeders will be the compliant ones but I think it’s a step in the right direction and also allows veterinary input to improve standards of care where people have been breeding for years and can be helped to do things better. The fact that it brings additional income to the councils will be an incentive for councils to act. At the moment they just need assistance in interpretation. Things like the fact that certain breeders who do not want to vaccinate find that in order to be licensed they have to show proof of vaccination or titre testing but are trying to pressurise their councils to licence them anyway. But there are also council operatives who have no experience or knowledge that are trying to interpret the guidelines . So the more veterinary input the better at this stage.

RE: Licensed breeding establishments

Bob Russell — Wed, 15 May 2019 10:59:16 GMT

Am I the only one that believes this legislation is unworkable?

RE: Licensed breeding establishments

Richard Carter — Wed, 15 May 2019 10:04:04 GMT

well my RPA charges >£200 + travel + VAT to stand in my xray room each year and say - yup got an xray which has been serviced properly (by someone else) and the correct pictures/ signs are on the wall (including a yellow light outside). So still waiting to see are people talking less than £200 to inspect a kennels or between £200 - 300 or more than that?

RE: Licensed breeding establishments

janine redman — Wed, 15 May 2019 07:42:43 GMT

If you start doing several a standard assessment repot gets easier

RE: Licensed breeding establishments

Gillian Mostyn — Wed, 15 May 2019 07:37:06 GMT

That's what I was thinking...if I just charge hourly, then my admin time needs to be included too. Hmm...

RE: Licensed breeding establishments

janine redman — Tue, 14 May 2019 22:33:11 GMT

my Practice has set an hourly rate which includes travel to and from premises although it hasn’t included the time to write the report

RE: Licensed breeding establishments

Gillian Mostyn — Tue, 14 May 2019 15:06:39 GMT

I believe my local council is looking for someone to do these...I'm also thinking of offering my services. (I assume there's no reason a locum can't do it?)

Is it a daft question to ask how others charge for it? Hourly rate, cost per inspection or a day rate?

RE: Licensed breeding establishments

janine redman — Wed, 08 May 2019 15:16:48 GMT

Hi Richard,

there is a different set of interpretation and regulations depending on whether the breeding bitches are kennelled and just used for breeding, or pet dogs which are also bred from. The large kennel spaces are for those dogs kept exclusively in the kennel area. This is where interpretation and common sense has to be applied . All of my checks have been on pet dogs also used for breeding. If you have dogs just confined to kennels then the minimum areas apply. Then as far as I can tell if you have bitches that whelp indoors and are then transferred to outside kennels later you have to apply common sense . As with kennelled dog that are exercised daily or have access to additional exercise facilities . Look up The Animal Welfare ( licensing of Activities Involving Animals) (England) Regulations 2018.

RE: Licensed breeding establishments

Richard Carter — Wed, 08 May 2019 09:11:38 GMT

a comment from one of our breeders - a small bitch needs 8 m2 kennel space and a large breed dog like labrador double that - 16 m2??? larger than most living rooms?

or have they got feet and metres mixed up?

where does one find the actual regs?

RE: Licensed breeding establishments

janine redman — Wed, 08 May 2019 00:16:22 GMT

Hi David , I have done a few with Dorset council and we just run through the recommendations. The council representative goes through the higher standard options first to get a ball park assessment, then we go through the whole document highlighting any areas of concern.

i spent several days trying to find a government vet or department to help me with interpretation but have come to the conclusion I have to use common sense and experience from breeding litters myself as well a a long Veterinary career to make judgements. Sadly the best prepared breeders have been the crossbred breeders and those with bull breeds. I write a report highlighting areas where improvements should or could be made. Not sure if it’s right but no one has lodged a complaint so far. Just very time consuming .

one breeder has refused to allow a veterinary visit.