That sense of unease when you're being manipulated...

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Gillian Mostyn — Tue, 12 Mar 2019 14:44:25 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]BTW/tangent I always advised dewclaw removal [EXCEPT GREYHOUNDS!] at 3-5 days as dew claw injury or overgrowth was always very painful IMHO. [/quote]

Did you advise it in all breeds?

Just asking because I've had 2 border collies, neither of which have ever had a dew claw injury.

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Anthony Todd — Tue, 12 Mar 2019 09:37:49 GMT

[quote user="Clive Ansell"]Why did you do it then?[/quote]

Because I, and all vets could do it better and more humanely than breeders.

Many breeders did it themselves with poor results, using various powders to stop bleeding etc which never worked, often leaving exposed bone etc.

Docking was in many breed standards and vigorously promoted in some breeds of shooting/hunting dogs, ironically only in one branch of certain breeds.... [pointers??]

Fortunately times have changed, er, but I'm not too sure about some breed standards.

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Clive Ansell — Tue, 12 Mar 2019 09:21:30 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]not that I could see any benefit in tail-docking at all.[/quote]

Why did you do it then?

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Anthony Todd — Tue, 12 Mar 2019 08:56:46 GMT

[quote user="robloxley"]Do you mean amputation of the fist forelimb digit in dogs?[/quote]

Yes, was done by lots of breeders and vets who also docked tails and so did I, BITD, not that I could see any benefit in tail-docking at all.

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Rob Loxley — Mon, 11 Mar 2019 21:47:48 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]I always advised dewclaw removal [EXCEPT GREYHOUNDS!] at 3-5 days as dew claw injury or overgrowth was always very painful IMHO[/quote]

Do you mean amputation of the fist forelimb digit in dogs?

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Anthony Todd — Mon, 11 Mar 2019 18:19:37 GMT

[quote user="villagevet"] try to have brief consult with any and all surgical patients (unless booked in from a recent direct consult for same thing and that patient has been presented in timely fashion for same) [/quote]

Do you think the client/subject of the thread would have mentioned the previous dew-claw injury?

BTW/tangent I always advised dewclaw removal [EXCEPT GREYHOUNDS!] at 3-5 days as dew claw injury or overgrowth was always very painful IMHO.

Some of you may not have seen greyhounds coming off the track with sand and grass impacted in one front dewclaw!

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Lindsey Edwards — Mon, 11 Mar 2019 17:51:36 GMT

I try to have brief consult with any and all surgical patients (unless booked in from a recent direct consult for same thing and that patient has been presented in timely fashion for same) - helps to review patient and procedure as well as to ensure clinician and client have the same objectives! In most cases it is only a couple of minutes and may be done in passing for many routine procedures - depending on clinic could be done by trained nurses as long as everyone knows what information is expected to be gathered by clinician.

Helps to highlight any other issues, such as concerns about unnecessary procedures or other health issues which may affect procedure or anaesthetic. On ocassion where not possible/admitted directly from reception or initial consult done by another vet (especially when I was locming and patient notes often scarce) - I would aim to review patient and then telephone to confirm procedure, expected outcome and address any other queries I or owner may have in relation to patient or procedure.

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Clive Ansell — Mon, 11 Mar 2019 17:16:28 GMT

You said:

"The estimate was given with the proviso that an examination would be required first to confirm it"

Therefore I cannot see any issues with the way you have handled it.

If there has been no dew claw injuries for 3 years, do they still need removing? if there has been injuries they should be noted and the insurer informed of.

One could carry out a consultation and give an opinion as to whether or not the dew claws should be amputated or not. The insurance status is irrelevant, it being an arrangement between client and insurer.

if you smell a rat, decline the case.

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Anthony Dennison — Mon, 11 Mar 2019 17:01:40 GMT

Don't think you've done anything wrong there. Question would be if there has been dew claw injuries in the last 3 years and it hasn't been noted by a vet (or been seen at other vets and not noted). Could argue that the owner was trying to get away with insurance fraud.