RIP NHS Homeopathy

RE: RIP NHS Homeopathy

Iain Richards — Sat, 11 Aug 2018 09:24:46 GMT

Sadly Phil, veterinary is not protected. The phrase "Veterinary Surgeon" is (and I think Veterinarian, but not UK).
One option would be for VMD to put homeopathic treatments in a separate category, where all they are doing is validating purity, not efficacy.
If one ask the question, is it acceptable to treat a disease with nothing and charge for it, then by that argument homeopathy is unethical

RE: RIP NHS Homeopathy

Phil Hyde — Sat, 11 Aug 2018 09:05:45 GMT

The rcvs have not outright banned homeopathy as yet. The reason given is that certain homeopathic ‘medicines’ are accepted by the VMD.

However, homeopathy itself is not just the medications used, but it is, in itself, a form of medicine. This form of medicine is clearly incompatible with veterinary medicine and should not be used under its banner. Thus, even though some treatments may be acceptable by the VMD, the practice of veterinary homeopathy could still be banned.

Isn’t the word veterinary protected? Then let’s protect it!

RE: RIP NHS Homeopathy

Niall Taylor — Fri, 10 Aug 2018 20:58:07 GMT

And here's another victory for common-sense in my neck of the woods:

https://bnssgccg.nhs.uk/news/governing-body-approve-changes-homeopathy-funding/

"The Governing Body of Bristol, North Somerset and South Gloucestershire (BNSSG) Clinical Commissioning Group (CCG) today approved changes that mean NHS funded homeopathy will only be available in exceptional circumstances in the area."

Niall

RE: RIP NHS Homeopathy

Robert FalconerTaylor — Fri, 10 Aug 2018 17:45:15 GMT

By homeopathy's own rules of physics, the more it's diluted in main-stream medicine, the stronger it will become. We'll see.

RE: RIP NHS Homeopathy

Lucy Fleming — Fri, 10 Aug 2018 17:10:12 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"] the masseur did not spot the hip dysplasia as the cause of lameness[/quote] Well, probably I wouldn't without radiographs either [quote user="Bob Russell"]but sadly they won't stump up for a bit of meloxicam![/quote] Frustrating![quote user="Bob Russell"]Physiotherapy is a completely different and far more appropriate way to spend money[/quote] We're lucky enough to have a few "proper" physiotherapists in the area (APCAT members) but I certainly get far more reports back from the local massage therapists, hydrotherapists etc.... I presume because they are a) cheaper and b) don't require the owners to do any work at home.

RE: RIP NHS Homeopathy

Bob Russell — Fri, 10 Aug 2018 14:19:47 GMT

In part but sadly they won't stump up for a bit of meloxicam!

Massage therapy, in my opinion is so limited in what is done as to be pretty useless. Physiotherapy is a completely different and far more appropriate way to spend money. Pain relief tops them all in this case.

RE: RIP NHS Homeopathy

Martin Atkinson — Fri, 10 Aug 2018 13:08:50 GMT

[quote user="Lucy Fleming"]See, I have no particular problem if an owner wants to shell out for their dog to be massaged. Pain from hip dysplasia could certainly lead to altered stride and secondary muscle spasm/ pain, which might respond to some massage. [/quote]I may be wrong Lucy but I think Bob is alluding the fact the masseur did not spot the hip dysplasia as the cause of lameness rather that than some physiotherapy may help.

RE: RIP NHS Homeopathy

Lucy Fleming — Fri, 10 Aug 2018 12:58:53 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]

Just had a report from a massage therapist showing a map of the dog's problems!

Several, what I believe might be muscle spasms, muscle strains. Not much to say about the hip dysplasia though.

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See, I have no particular problem if an owner wants to shell out for their dog to be massaged. Pain from hip dysplasia could certainly lead to altered stride and secondary muscle spasm/ pain, which might respond to some massage. I try to direct them towards a chartered physiotherapist, but if an owner is willing to actually do anything* to help manage their pet's chronic pain, I'm happy! Seems a bit unfair to me to lump this in with the homeopaths.

*NB something that might actually have an effect.

RE: RIP NHS Homeopathy

Niall Taylor — Fri, 10 Aug 2018 12:56:31 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]Do you need a business partner for your crystal therapy emporium? I can bring a few bees so we could do the bee venom therapies as well! [/quote]

Oh, yes please, and we could use the spare wax for our voodoo dolls!

RE: RIP NHS Homeopathy

Bob Russell — Fri, 10 Aug 2018 12:16:27 GMT

Just had a report from a massage therapist showing a map of the dog's problems!

Several, what I believe might be muscle spasms, muscle strains. Not much to say about the hip dysplasia though.

Do you need a business partner for your crystal therapy emporium? I can bring a few bees so we could do the bee venom therapies as well!

RE: RIP NHS Homeopathy

Niall Taylor — Fri, 10 Aug 2018 11:21:35 GMT

I hadn't realised Scotland had kicked out homeopathy, I thought the current administration was quiter sympathetic to it. Glad to hear they've seen sense. Do you have a link with more info?

Oh and, yes, but we never will

I'm looking forward to setting myself up in my crystal therapy emporium once I retire, where I will specialise in the treatment of URT inflammation, acute gastroenteritis, bee, wasp and other stings, sprains, bruises and seromas.

Niall

RE: RIP NHS Homeopathy

Iain Richards — Fri, 10 Aug 2018 09:54:39 GMT

Yes.