Linguistic abomination

RE: Linguistic abomination

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:55:29 GMT

[quote user="Chris Geddes"] What else should it be called? [/quote]

Induction? Introduction?

[quote user="Chris Geddes"] If someone says "You will have your on-boarding with Susan at 9am on Wednesday" you know what they mean.[/quote]

Oo-er. I don't think I would. I'd be a bit worried.

But then I would rather object to being described a "a new hire".

RE: Linguistic abomination

Julie Innes — Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:30:53 GMT

Well, I've never heard it. And I have teenage kids and a Nautical husband (who uses Navy talk all the time and describes everything in terms of starboard or port, eg. Ouch, I've hurt my starboard ankle ), so you would think I should have!

RE: Linguistic abomination

Anthony Todd — Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:11:31 GMT

[quote user="Chris Geddes"]I find it familiar because I have worked for large corporate companies I suppose. Have never thought much of it[/quote]

There you go.....

RE: Linguistic abomination

Arlo Guthrie — Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:59:27 GMT

[quote user="Chris Geddes"]If someone says "You will have your on-boarding with Susan at 9am on Wednesday" you know what they mean.[/quote]

I wouldn't. I would have absolutely no idea. I'd be thinking maybe Susan was the in-house dominatrix and maybe I'd accepted the wrong job offer!

[quote user="Thomas Johnson"]How about 'induction' or 'orientation'?[/quote]

I would know EXACTLY what this means, on the other hand.

[quote user="Chris Geddes"]Languages are fluid and evolving and dictionaries reflect that.[/quote] Yes, good point.

Still, on-board as a verb, naah. It's too awful.

[quote user="Chris Geddes"] I do remember hating it the first time someone said "I'm good" rather then "I'm well" when asked "How are you?" - but I catch myself doing it occasionally now...[/quote]

Just stop it!

(Grinning as I write that, BTW)

RE: Linguistic abomination

Clare Tapsfield-Wright — Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:47:51 GMT

[quote user="J G Wray"]

[quote user="Clare Tapsfield-Wright"]I see a similarity between teenagers adopting words that adults are not meant to comprehend and management speak making a verb out of “ on board”, (initially a nautical term).[/quote]

I think the nautical term is a-board as in "bring aboard"

[/quote] inky swot

RE: Linguistic abomination

Chris Geddes — Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:08:52 GMT

[quote user="Thomas Johnson"]

[quote user="Chris Geddes"]You will have your on-boarding with Susan at 9am on Wednesday" you know what they mean. It's concise and clear. What else should it be called? [/quote]

How about 'induction' or 'orientation'?

[/quote]

Ah yes, I prefer either of those! Thinking about it, maybe I was horrified the first time I heard it, but you get used to things. I do remember hating it the first time someone said "I'm good" rather then "I'm well" when asked "How are you?" - but I catch myself doing it occasionally now...

RE: Linguistic abomination

Thomas Johnson — Wed, 28 Mar 2018 16:52:13 GMT

[quote user="Chris Geddes"]You will have your on-boarding with Susan at 9am on Wednesday" you know what they mean. It's concise and clear. What else should it be called? [/quote]

How about 'induction' or 'orientation'?

RE: Linguistic abomination

J G Wray — Wed, 28 Mar 2018 16:47:35 GMT

I think the nautical term is a-board as in "bring aboard"

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Clare Tapsfield-Wright — Wed, 28 Mar 2018 16:30:15 GMT

I sleep like a log thanks,only a little unsettled but thanks for asking. I take your point about language evolving and no I haven’t worked in a similar environment. My bad .....

RE: Linguistic abomination

Chris Geddes — Wed, 28 Mar 2018 16:24:05 GMT

If you find that unsettling, I hate to think how many other things unsettle you! How do you sleep at night?!

I find it familiar because I have worked for large corporate companies I suppose. Have never thought much of it. They have to have protocols for getting people settled in - learning how to submit their expenses, get their parking permit, know where the fire exits are - all that boring stuff. If someone says "You will have your on-boarding with Susan at 9am on Wednesday" you know what they mean. It's concise and clear. What else should it be called?

Languages are fluid and evolving and dictionaries reflect that. Doesn't mean that we have all have to adopt every change, but not many of us are speaking Middle English.

RE: Linguistic abomination

Clare Tapsfield-Wright — Wed, 28 Mar 2018 15:49:04 GMT

[quote user="Chris Geddes"]

Am I missing something? Whilst it's not terminology I would use, it is quite common, and on-board is included in OED as a verb...

VERB

[WITH OBJECT]

Go through procedures to effectively integrate (a new employee) into an organization or familiarize (a new customer or client) with one's products or services.

‘this data has tremendous value in helping to onboard new hires and manage their performance’

‘my focus has been restructuring how we do things when we onboard a client’

[/quote] pedant alert

Chris I find it even more unsettling that you find it familiar. I see a similarity between teenagers adopting words that adults are not meant to comprehend and management speak making a verb out of “ on board”, (initially a nautical term). It seems designed to identify the user as rather more clever with words than his audience as they take that split second to process what was actually meant. There is no nautical term such as “ off board” I think so it sounds even more ridiculous to “off-board someone“ .

RE: Linguistic abomination

Bob Russell — Wed, 28 Mar 2018 15:48:38 GMT

Please don't tell me that the OED considers onboarding of new hires to mean anything beyond consultants speak!

This sort of management led drivel appears to be the way that we should move forwards to engage with the requirements of new staffing protocols in order to facilitate the generalised and proactive integration of person or persons otherwise described in the employment documentation associated with forthcoming employment entitlements resulting from a mutual expression of desirability to employ and be employed by an organisation over the forthcoming period of time. Clearly and in simple terms off boarding is the integrated process of mutually agreed reversal of the employment status.

RE: Linguistic abomination

George Cooper — Wed, 28 Mar 2018 15:47:34 GMT

Y’all c’n go ‘n’ vault the Gran’ C’ny’n. Nowt wrong wi’ ma banjo - he’s cosy ‘n’ comfy rapp’d Up in his case ‘n’all.

Now - the squeeze-box.... na’ That’s a diff’rent Call, y’all. When A plays ma box, dere’s allus a queue at the cat flap. Lawk’s Sake.

RE: Linguistic abomination

Chris Geddes — Wed, 28 Mar 2018 15:22:56 GMT

Am I missing something? Whilst it's not terminology I would use, it is quite common, and on-board is included in OED as a verb...

VERB

[WITH OBJECT]

Go through procedures to effectively integrate (a new employee) into an organization or familiarize (a new customer or client) with one's products or services.

‘this data has tremendous value in helping to onboard new hires and manage their performance’

‘my focus has been restructuring how we do things when we onboard a client’

RE: Linguistic abomination

Julian Earl — Wed, 28 Mar 2018 14:21:00 GMT

[quote user="J G Wray"] know washboarding is a form of torture, I mean musical instrument, which was popular with George when he was busking with his banjo and mouth organ and knee cymbals. Or maybe that's waterboarding...[/quote]

Mr Wray are you equating George's playing music with torture? Harsh but Fair Maybe. ?

RE: Linguistic abomination

Anthony Todd — Wed, 28 Mar 2018 12:51:25 GMT

[quote user="J G Wray"]Or maybe that's waterboarding...[/quote]

Probably, a bit, at his age.

RE: Linguistic abomination

Anthony Todd — Wed, 28 Mar 2018 12:48:37 GMT

Yes, frankly, to be honest, at the end of the day, [even in the morning], we should do our best to stamp out these abominations going forward in the future.

forgot "frankly"!

PS forgot "to be honest" too

RE: Linguistic abomination

J G Wray — Wed, 28 Mar 2018 12:17:13 GMT

Good news, I read this the other day:

"..

In identity management, onboarding is the addition of a new employee to an organization's identity and access management (IAM) system. The term is also used if an employee changes roles within the organization and is granted new or expanded access privileges.

Conversely, offboarding refers to the IAM processes surrounding the removal of an identity for an employee who has left the organization. The term may also be used to describe the restriction of certain access rights when an employee has changed roles within the organization.

Onboarding and offboarding procedures must be documented to ensure compliance with regulatory requirements. To avoid errors that could result from a manual offboarding procedure, experts suggested automating the process through a talent management system..."

I know washboarding is a form of torture, I mean musical instrument, which was popular with George when he was busking with his banjo and mouth organ and knee cymbals. Or maybe that's waterboarding...

RE: Linguistic abomination

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Tue, 27 Mar 2018 17:59:43 GMT

[quote user="Arlo Guthrie"]Is it just me,[/quote]

No.

i expect the press release was aimed less at you and more at the new editor of the super soaraway Vet Wreck.

RE: Linguistic abomination

Mark Hedberg — Tue, 27 Mar 2018 17:04:36 GMT

[quote user="Arlo Guthrie"]

Is it just me, or would that cause anyone else to lose the will to live?

[/quote]

My father was an English teacher. I think reading something like this would cause him no uncommon distress...

RE: Linguistic abomination

Clare Tapsfield-Wright — Tue, 27 Mar 2018 17:00:32 GMT

Sounds like Ricky Gervaise in The office !