Stop bullying Anthony

RE: Stop bullying Anthony

Anthony Todd — Tue, 06 Mar 2018 08:54:26 GMT

Will cost some money but in this part of the world there is additional money flow needed to get, what you wan’t.

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Got to win a prize for Best Apostrophe Planting 2018

RE: Stop bullying Anthony

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Mon, 05 Mar 2018 15:20:40 GMT

[quote user="Niall Taylor"]

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]Arguably that would read better as "...which is in use in the US more than on this side of the Atlantic."[/quote]

But that changes the meaning. The original phrase '... gotten which is in use in the US more than this side of the Atlantic' to me means 'gotten which is in use in the US [side of the Atlantic] more than this side of the Atlantic', which includes Canada. If that is how it was intended then the second 'in' would probably have been better as 'on'.

Niall

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Hm, I had not thought of it that way. No, I don't think one can be "in" a side of the Atlantic, I think one has to be "on" it.

Moreover, if referring to the Western side of the Atlantic Ocean, it is not customary to refer to "the US side" if one intends to include Canada. It would be more usual to write "the American side", or "North America", or even just "America". (This last would of course include South America, but then perhaps in this context that would be correct).

RE: Stop bullying Anthony

Niall Taylor — Mon, 05 Mar 2018 14:47:10 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]Arguably that would read better as "...which is in use in the US more than on this side of the Atlantic."[/quote]

Niall

RE: Stop bullying Anthony

Wren — Mon, 05 Mar 2018 10:20:16 GMT

[quote user="Julie Innes"]I did Latin at school up to O grade. I still think it was useful, I learned more grammar in my Latin class than i ever did in English. And it helped me with French and Spanish. I secretly think they should bring it back![/quote]

I did CSYS Latin at a bog-standard Scottish comprehensive! Hugely helpful with language and medical stuff. Although I'm still not sure that a microscopic level of detailed knowledge on the Second Punic War ever helped me much with my veterinary degree. Or any aspect of life thereafter, barring the odd question on University Challenge.

My bugbears (we've done draw/drawer to death) are 'try and' instead of 'try to' (I may have to give up on that one as the R4 continuity announcers have started doing it now), the 'sitting/sat' thing and people who constantly use 'brought' instead of 'bought'. It means a totally different bloody thing! Also 'bias' instead of biased' seems to be creeping into use - both in written and spoken English. "The study was bound to be bias, as it was conducted by the manufacturers". "I think he's gorgeous, but then I'm bias". Bah. If this is language drift then I don't like it one bit.

RE: Stop bullying Anthony

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Sun, 04 Mar 2018 17:38:01 GMT

[quote user="J G Wray"]gotten which is in use in the US more than this side of the Atlantic.[/quote]

Arguably that would read better as "...which is in use in the US more than on this side of the Atlantic."

RE: Stop bullying Anthony

J G Wray — Sun, 04 Mar 2018 17:31:59 GMT

[quote user="bevs2251"]My other major bugbear is the horrendous use of two prepositions in a row, by Americans mainly, i.e "off of". "I am going to jump 'off of' a cliff" ! No need for the second preposition 'of', people ! In fact, I've come across this in a couple of novels recently. Couldn't help myself but cross out the unnecessary 'of' (one an American author, another English - may have just been poor editing as only a couple of instances in the English novel but copious instances in the American one).[/quote]

Some care here, the past participle of the verb get is got or more properly gotten which is in use in the US more than this side of the Atlantic.

One of my nurses wanted to "Aks me a question" the other day. I did not reply "Wassup bitch?"

RE: Stop bullying Anthony

Niall Taylor — Sun, 04 Mar 2018 17:14:52 GMT

[quote user="Julie Innes"]I secretly think they should bring it back![/quote]

I'm sure if they re-named it i-Latin and told everyone it was 'sustainable', ecologically sound and good for the environment and then made sure it only ever appeared in green text and comic sans it would be a big hit

Niall

RE: Stop bullying Anthony

Gillian Mostyn — Sun, 04 Mar 2018 17:02:40 GMT

[quote user="Julie Innes"]I secretly think they should bring it back![/quote]

It hasn't completely gone away...both my children study Latin and had the option to carry on to GCSE level. Independent school though....

RE: Stop bullying Anthony

Julie Innes — Sun, 04 Mar 2018 14:56:30 GMT

I did Latin at school up to O grade. I still think it was useful, I learned more grammar in my Latin class than i ever did in English. And it helped me with French and Spanish. I secretly think they should bring it back!

RE: Stop bullying Anthony

bevs2251 — Fri, 02 Mar 2018 23:21:08 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]

Yes, why on earth would colonial schools in the opposite side of the world nearer Japan and the US teach Latin??

Except, I suppose, to conform with private schools in the UK??

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Selective Public School - French/German/Latin were the options in most schools back then (1970s). We all had to do a term of each in 1st form. Japanese was offered a few years later. Studied French to 4th form, Latin to 6th - crazy, I know but I enjoyed it ! Guess that's why I'm a stickler for correct grammar ! Didn't stick with German - too difficult, but can still count to ten.

We had to wear a beret or hat when in public, until we amalgamated with the boys' school in 1975 when a new uniform was designed.

RE: Stop bullying Anthony

Anthony Todd — Fri, 02 Mar 2018 14:30:36 GMT

Yes, why on earth would colonial schools in the opposite side of the world nearer Japan and the US teach Latin??

Except, I suppose, to conform with private schools in the UK??

We wore Eton starched collars on Sunday.....

RE: Stop bullying Anthony

bevs2251 — Fri, 02 Mar 2018 05:10:36 GMT

As a budding member of Pedant's Corner, I'm just wondering how/why this form of incorrect grammar has invaded the English (British version) language over the last few years ?

" I am 'sat' (sitting) here, waiting for the bus" or "I am 'stood' (standing) here, waiting for the bus".

So how did the present tense of sit and stand suddenly become 'sat' and 'stood' ?

My other major bugbear is the horrendous use of two prepositions in a row, by Americans mainly, i.e "off of". "I am going to jump 'off of' a cliff" ! No need for the second preposition 'of', people ! In fact, I've come across this in a couple of novels recently. Couldn't help myself but cross out the unnecessary 'of' (one an American author, another English - may have just been poor editing as only a couple of instances in the English novel but copious instances in the American one).

From a convict descendant, but one who studied Latin (!!) so au fait with conjugations and declensions !

RE: Stop bullying Anthony

Anthony Todd — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 18:22:12 GMT

[quote user="Clare Tapsfield-Wright"]

When pedants disagree and mention nuances and living language we are all dooooomed

Just because it's snowing doesn't mean you must join the snowflakes.............

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RE: Stop bullying Anthony

Anthony Todd — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 17:27:15 GMT

Pedants should watch the red moving news on the BBC channel if they want to spot the grammatical errors; the Daily Moan is full of them!

Throwing wooden blackboard dusters at my flat screen is not helpful these days although it worked with me at my old school.

RE: Stop bullying Anthony

J G Wray — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 17:06:35 GMT

[quote user="Utlendigur"]I went for the plural form on the basis that there seems to be more than one pedant on the forum[/quote]

"....just keep going till you go round the bend."

um die Ecke. Hmmmm, doesn't that mean a little bit mad, a sort of play on words. Is that German humour there?

RE: Stop bullying Anthony

Clare Tapsfield-Wright — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:45:38 GMT

When pedants disagree and mention nuances and living language we are all dooooomed

RE: Stop bullying Anthony

Anthony Todd — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:41:33 GMT

[quote user="Clare Tapsfield-Wright"]tempting to stubbornly insist on pedants’ corner ?[/quote]

I didn't want to upset you; Evelyn is different......

Split infinitives are worming their way into acceptability I reckon; y'know "living language" 'n all that.

RE: Stop bullying Anthony

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:40:21 GMT

[quote user="Clare Tapsfield-Wright"] I’m disappointed that no one commented on my split infinitive [/quote]

There is nothing wrong with a split infinitive.

Indeed there are times when it is not merely acceptable to split the infinitive but desirable, in order best to convey the sense or nuance, and your comment is a good example of such an occasion.

RE: Stop bullying Anthony

Clare Tapsfield-Wright — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:27:23 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]

[quote user="Utlendigur"]

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]

Glad to sea that so many pedant's have migrated to my defense.

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They are now fleeing in the opposite direction thanks to that misplaced apostrophe, not to mention the spelling mistake

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There are two spelling mistakes, as we are not in America and Anthony is not American.

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Yep. I know I'm in the right place now....... And the person who I knew would spot my deliberates did....

[/quote] I’m disappointed that no one commented on my split infinitive

RE: Stop bullying Anthony

Anthony Todd — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:25:31 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]

[quote user="Utlendigur"]

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]

Glad to sea that so many pedant's have migrated to my defense.

[/quote]

They are now fleeing in the opposite direction thanks to that misplaced apostrophe, not to mention the spelling mistake

[/quote]

There are two spelling mistakes, as we are not in America and Anthony is not American.

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Yep. I know I'm in the right place now....... And the person who I knew would spot my deliberates did....

RE: Stop bullying Anthony

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:09:46 GMT

[quote user="Utlendigur"]

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]

Glad to sea that so many pedant's have migrated to my defense.

[/quote]

They are now fleeing in the opposite direction thanks to that misplaced apostrophe, not to mention the spelling mistake

[/quote]

There are two spelling mistakes, as we are not in America and Anthony is not American.

RE: Stop bullying Anthony

Utlendigur — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 14:54:51 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]

Glad to sea that so many pedant's have migrated to my defense.

[/quote]

They are now fleeing in the opposite direction thanks to that misplaced apostrophe, not to mention the spelling mistake

RE: Stop bullying Anthony

Dinu Catilina — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 13:46:04 GMT

[quote user="J G Wray"]An interest in the use of the English language, not a favoured topic on this site[/quote]

Ah, the positives of being a foreigner any hints at my broken english and I'll bring up topics like Brexit, xenophobia, isolationism and bullying.

RE: Stop bullying Anthony

Anthony Todd — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 13:36:36 GMT

Glad to sea that so many pedant's have migrated to my defense.

RE: Stop bullying Anthony

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 13:28:20 GMT

[quote user="Utlendigur"]

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]

We could not agree as to whether it should be called "The Pedant's Corner" or "Pedants' Corner".

One freethinking soul held out for "Pedant Corner".

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I went for the plural form on the basis that there seems to be more than one pedant on the forum

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Quite so. Yet it would be reasonable style to refer to "the pedant" just as one might refer to "the dog" as in "Anatomy of the Dog". There is probably a name for such use of the singular form. Wray will be able to tell you when he gets back from currying Mr. Gradgrind's horse.