The Millennial Problem - clarified

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Iain Richards — Mon, 22 Jan 2018 19:23:59 GMT

Pudding please

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J G Wray — Mon, 22 Jan 2018 11:44:22 GMT

[quote user="Iain Richards"]The same inertia that exists with those that have the information, but won't share it when asked. [/quote]

Sinek and others are willing to share in a number of readily available formats. Are you willing to put the effort in or are you asking to be spoon fed by interested parties?

RE: The Millennial Problem - clarified

Iain Richards — Mon, 22 Jan 2018 09:20:12 GMT

The same inertia that exists with those that have the information, but won't share it when asked.

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J G Wray — Mon, 22 Jan 2018 08:37:33 GMT

[quote user="Iain Richards"] I couldn't be bothered to listen for an hour, yup, lazy I know[/quote]

I suppose this lack of interest is the sort of thing that's going to provide the inertia, the enemy of change and so all that has been in the past will continue.

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Iain Richards — Mon, 22 Jan 2018 08:33:05 GMT

What were they? I couldn't be bothered to listen for an hour, yup, lazy I know, so enlighten us please.

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J G Wray — Sun, 21 Jan 2018 22:58:46 GMT

Has anyone checked out some of the elements being put into practice? It's early days of course, but has anyone looked at these?

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J G Wray — Sun, 21 Jan 2018 19:23:35 GMT

For those who know a bit more about Sinek's work, how do feel about the four elements he proposes we should address for improving the lot of Millennials in the workplace?

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Dinu Catilina — Sat, 20 Jan 2018 19:12:05 GMT

[quote user="Clare Tapsfield-Wright"]the bloke doing the stereotyping in this post looks quite young to me[/quote]

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Sat, 20 Jan 2018 19:04:02 GMT

[quote user="Julie Innes"](I make them do chores to earn pocket money, which apparently is "Victorian")[/quote]

That's not pejoric, that's a compliment.

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Clare Tapsfield-Wright — Sat, 20 Jan 2018 18:53:06 GMT

Good point although which older generation are you referring to since the bloke doing the stereotyping in this post looks quite young to me. There needs to be less generalising altogether about different ages and stereotypes and more interest in opening our minds and learning from each other regardless of date of birth. I’ve met inspirational brilliant vets and boring egotists of all ages.

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Francisco Gomez — Fri, 19 Jan 2018 22:18:57 GMT

Has the older generation decided to stereotype millennials so they can complain about those things they are unable to change about them?

Should the older generation instead, look in the mirror and try to find what it is that they themselves lack to keep the millennials interested?

RE: The Millennial Problem - clarified

bevs2251 — Fri, 19 Jan 2018 22:13:10 GMT

[quote user="Marie Kubiak"]I have seen a change in the way practices treat new grads - I was nurtured and looked after (and so was happy to graft and return the efforts of my colleagues), now a lot of practices see new grads as a renewable resource. Hire them cheap with empty promises, burn them out and get a new crop the next year. I would have been pretty disillusioned and less inclined to sacrifice the other aspects of my life if I got treated like this.[/quote]

Funny that. Sounds like my first job and first boss, back in 1986 !! Probably happens to every generation. Difference being that there were far fewer vets and fewer jobs when I was a new grad so we tended to put up with long hours and poor renumeration. Plus we did a lot more interesting surgeries and weren't just vacc/desexing clinics. Most of us vets in Australia (and NZ) did the sabbatical to the UK after 1-2 years out, then came back to, hopefully, a long-term position. Don't think so many Aussie vets do this these days.

I think Millenials are much less inclined to put up with poor conditions so move on fairly quickly. Even with the increased vet numbers (in UK/USA and Australia), there always seems to be many jobs advertised so they have more choice (albeit most of the jobs being with a corporate entity !).

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Marie Kubiak — Fri, 19 Jan 2018 15:59:41 GMT

I have seen a change in the way practices treat new grads - I was nurtured and looked after (and so was happy to graft and return the efforts of my colleagues), now a lot of practices see new grads as a renewable resource. Hire them cheap with empty promises, burn them out and get a new crop the next year. I would have been pretty disillusioned and less inclined to sacrifice the other aspects of my life if I got treated like this.

[quote user="Dinu Catilina"]eastern europeans are far more social [/quote]

Don't tar us all with the same brush, I am distinctly antisocial :)

Marie

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Dinu Catilina — Fri, 19 Jan 2018 12:58:27 GMT

This whole "snowflake" and "millenials" conversations remind me of my grandad: " When I was your age we had to walk 5 miles each morning to school in thick snow, in the dark and hearing wolves howling in the forest". Well done grandad but I would rather not do that just because you had to!

And not being able to form true relationships because of facebook, sorry but what a load of crap. This is a western society problem not generational, eastern europeans are far more social and friendships are far more important in one's life and there is facebook over there as well.

If this generations wants a specific working pattern then they should try everything possible to achieve it, they have another 20-30 years to spend in it. And it's up to them to make it economically viable.

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Martin Atkinson — Fri, 19 Jan 2018 09:26:01 GMT

^^^^^^^^^^^^Wot she said!

Especially: Yes, emergencies happen, and IME not a single member of staff huffs about those genuine emergencies. It's the ongoing always overrunning due to poor organisation/ trying to cram too many appointments into too few slots that grinds people down.

Those who moan most about work ethic in youngsters are probably those whose practices are so busy and understaffed that everyone is overworked and stressed out. Its just millenials/gen x have the self confidence to tell the dinosaurs where to get off if they don't like it.

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Julie Innes — Fri, 19 Jan 2018 09:03:40 GMT

I don't know about this, bit of a generalisation! We had snow ++ the other day and of the 3 staff that managed to struggle in (out of 7), it was your so-called Millennials! One even offered to come in early as the nurse on early shift couldn't get in.

We all know it's not a 9-5 job, but yes, people have realised they want a work-life balance (not a dirty phrase!) Is it too much for us to be a little enlightened and move with the times? Yes, emergencies happen, and IME not a single member of staff huffs about those genuine emergencies. It's the ongoing always overrunning due to poor organisation/ trying to cram too many appointments into too few slots that grinds people down.

I'm not a millennial (I am an old gimmer!) I work hard, run my own practice. But I still want to finish at 6pm unless there is a genuine reason to stay. I still want to spend time with my family at weekends, have other hobbies, and I'm fine with my staff wanting the same.

Work ethic is, I think, something taught. I would like to think my own children have a good work ethic (I make them do chores to earn pocket money, which apparently is "Victorian"), but I wouldn't like to see that being taken advantage of when they reach the workplace. It's no bad thing that the younger generation are starting to realise they don't need to be worked to death. Just because we put up with it doesn't mean young vets should continue to!

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bevs2251 — Thu, 18 Jan 2018 22:24:30 GMT

[quote user="vs0u "] Maybe their reluctance to work long hours/OOH is because they take it all so seriously?[/quote]

Maybe, or maybe they just have not been brought up on/exposed to the long hours and OOH work with the proliferation of emergency centres this century ! I've heard colleagues recently commenting about quite a few new grads they've employed as being "lazy".

Years ago, a new grad we employed (mid-90s so Gen X, not even a Millenial) categorically stated she would only work 38 hours/week, no weekend work or after hours !! I laughed at that - she did end up doing weekend work and some after hours or NO JOB. These were the days before any A/H emergency centres !! Also the days before a Veterinary Surgeons Award which outlined exactly the conditions of employment.

I have no qualms about employees being paid a decent wage, or overtime for extra hours, but they just can't expect to take off at 6pm to go to the gym when there is still work to be done ! Doesn't work in vet or hospital settings !

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Iain Richards — Thu, 18 Jan 2018 12:46:12 GMT

I wonder how us baby boomers (I just scrape in) or the generation X folk would have been viewed if we had social media, or even were viewed by earlier generations. I'm sure I had similar doubts and anxieties due to simple lack of experience.

Or is all this generation stuff just created by sociologist types to keep busy?

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vs0u — Thu, 18 Jan 2018 12:29:33 GMT

[quote user="bevs2251"] Can't see how when they don't want to work !![/quote]

The ones I work are all very keen and conscientious, if anything they are over worried about everything and find it difficult to cut corners or bend the rules, even when there is clearly no downside to doing so - but they are definitely not lazy. Us slightly older ones tend to be the ones taking an extra coffee break or afternoon off when we can. Maybe their reluctance to work long hours/OOH is because they take it all so seriously?

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bevs2251 — Thu, 18 Jan 2018 03:11:00 GMT

Watched a show a couple of days ago ("Gruen" - Australian show that dissects ads) where the talking heads opined that Millenials will be earning two out of every three dollars by 2030. Can't see how when they don't want to work !! Guess they are hoping the Baby Boomers and Gen X will leave them a house or an inheritance ? Not from me !

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J G Wray — Tue, 16 Jan 2018 14:50:02 GMT

This is more polished

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIkfdhGhxDc