Brexit and foreign vets..

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Sarah McGurk — Fri, 15 Dec 2017 22:53:40 GMT

Sadly Bob, I think there is equal posturing on both sides, especially with the likes of Boris Johnson and David Davis throwing stupid comments around destabilising any progress that is being made. Like you, I’d love it to be over, but it’s going to take a long time for stability to return.

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Richard Carter — Fri, 15 Dec 2017 17:42:51 GMT

yes - lucky there aren't real problems like lack of housing, NHS collapsing through understaffing, lack of infrastructure maintenance (Grantham just closed its A&E due to inability to get Drs) so lots of time for various politicians with secret agendas to stick the knife in and derail the process. Talk about monkeys, matches and fuel...

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Bob Russell — Fri, 15 Dec 2017 13:45:42 GMT

No! Get sensible people to discuss things in a grown up way. It really is a question of maths and logistics all of which are worked out worldwide for trade already.

I am not suggesting anyone should be giving any country what they want. Just decide what works and is in the interests of as many countries as possible.

To be quite honest I believe it should be left to the civil servants to work it out then hand it over to the politicians.

Yes I do believe that the EU negotiating team is doing its best to antagonise and aggravate the process because the UK must be seen to have been punished for its temerity to decide to leave.

Sadly the weakness of the government and the horrific possibilities should we get a near Marxist government is making things worse.

I have little doubt that unless a reasonable agreement is reached then a future strong government might decide to change the agreement and we will be back in a war of words a la Trump! Remainers and Brexiteers will only go away with a good agreement all round.

The UK has always sat a bit uncomfortably within the EU and may end up being a better partner with a bit of separation and distance from the EU.

I have to say I am so bored with the EU posturing and threats of Armageddon. The UK posturing is more aimed at the warring factions within the government.

I have to say I am so fed up with the whole thing that I want the whole thing over!

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Sarah McGurk — Thu, 14 Dec 2017 18:12:41 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]

A new agreement could have been reached within a couple of weeks if the EU wanted it. They want as much insecurity for as long as possible to maximise the disruption to discourage other from leaving their 'club'.

[/quote]A new agreement could have been reached within that timescale if the UK wanted it too. Or are you suggesting all the other countries involved should just give the UK exactly what it wants, despite the fact that it is causing massive inconvenience.

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Thu, 14 Dec 2017 17:57:10 GMT

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Martin Atkinson — Thu, 14 Dec 2017 14:20:29 GMT

[quote user="Robin Grimmer"]So what was the point of leaving then? We will worse off from a trading point of view as the EU is by far our largest trading partner. And not to mention that slogan on the leave bus....[/quote]Erm...never let it be said you were told so.

I stick by my conspiracy theory that it is all smoke and mirrors orchestrated by a largely pro-Europe government so that the terms of Brexit are so diluted as to make no difference than if we stayed; or it will take so long the leavers will have given up the will to live and won't notice article 50 has been revoked; or they will be pleased because they didn't know what Brexit meant and have realised they just voted to be poorer but Johnny Foreigner is still taking their jobs which they wouldn't do anyway.

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Robin Grimmer — Thu, 14 Dec 2017 12:22:37 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]

But we are not really going to be handing over that amount of money. It will be an on-going payment not dissimilar to the present arrangement.

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So what was the point of leaving then? We will worse off from a trading point of view as the EU is by far our largest trading partner. And not to mention that slogan on the leave bus....

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Bob Russell — Thu, 14 Dec 2017 10:58:39 GMT

But we are not really going to be handing over that amount of money. It will be an on-going payment not dissimilar to the present arrangement.

The lower exchange rate will settle as the situation becomes clearer and the speculators find other targets to gamble on.

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grumpyoldman — Wed, 13 Dec 2017 21:09:39 GMT

It does look as though nothing much will change other than the exchange of 50 billion euros and a lower exchange rate. Ironically this will not affect the pro exit brigade at they were very very old, poor and none tax payers, and very unlikely to travel beyond these shores anyway.

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Bob Russell — Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:18:46 GMT

The deal was quite clear from the beginning. EU nationals would be given settled status. EU politicians just kept demanding more and more, often nit picking changes.

This could and should have been sorted out when Ms May made the offer in the first place.

I still fail to see why EU citizens should have been expected to have greater rights than a British citizen nor be subject to European law in the long term.

Other than the insecurity that was inevitable because of the EU stance there was almost no chance for a different outcome.

I will be impressed by an online form that takes minutes to fill in. Never seen anything that brief from the Home Office except a rejection letter!

With discussion and sensible conversation most of the agreements could happen over a weekend. That just does not suit the EU way of doing things.

Once again I am happy to make it clear that I was pro-Europe, moderately pro-EU but now cannot wait to be as shot of them as soon as we can be. I suspect I am not alone in feeling this way.

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David Mills — Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:00:44 GMT

So nowhere near as hard as the left would have you think

I thought the deal on EU nationals was quite clear. Ho hum.

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mariette asselbergs — Tue, 12 Dec 2017 19:44:44 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42322018

Should take minutes apparently to gain residence and decided within 2 weeks.

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Applied beginning of April. still waiting.....

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Francisco Gomez — Tue, 12 Dec 2017 17:39:28 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42322018

Should take minutes apparently to gain residence and decided within 2 weeks.

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It sounds good.

I hope it's not just 'a statement of intent rather than anything legally binding' (Davis causing trouble as usual)

However if it's that easy, many of the Brexit side would be complaining about this not helping controlling immigration in the medium term.

You can't win I'm afraid. The Tories are really between a rock and a hard place.

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Bob Russell — Tue, 12 Dec 2017 14:30:14 GMT

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42322018

Should take minutes apparently to gain residence and decided within 2 weeks.

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Francisco Gomez — Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:30:01 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]

(not sure the government are that good at minimal fuss though!).

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Bob Russell — Tue, 12 Dec 2017 09:47:20 GMT

I suspect the impact on the value of the Pound will be having more effect on the attractiveness of moving to the UK for work.

It has been made perfectly clear that the intention is to allow those from the EU to remain in the UK with minimal fuss (not sure the government are that good at minimal fuss though!).

The present settlement rules are quite draconian because they were never designed for EU nationals. With a little good will this could have been resolved many months ago. The constant negative barrage of boorish comments from EU politicians and leaders plus the reluctance of the UK side to give their bargaining position away has blocked any decisions.

The most stupid thing is we all know that an agreement will happen, finalised on the last day. That is just how they work!

A decision is not stupid just because you don't like the result! It may or may not be stupid in the long run but the idea of an integrated States of Europe certainly would not work for the UK so one way or another I suspect the UK would have left if the Macron and Juncker models came into play.

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Francisco Gomez — Tue, 12 Dec 2017 06:29:05 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

[quote user="Clare Tapsfield-Wright"]But Norway is not part of the EU is it[/quote]I hadn't spotted that... doh!

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AFAIK For this aspect Norway citizens are treated in a similar manner as Norway is an EFTA country, enjoys FoM and its citizens EEA.

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Martin Atkinson — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:00:26 GMT

[quote user="Clare Tapsfield-Wright"]But Norway is not part of the EU is it[/quote]I hadn't spotted that... doh!

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Sarah McGurk — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:39:02 GMT

Well Stigen, I’ve been holding my breath in the hope the Norwegian government will change their minds about dual citizenship. I know it’s under discussion. Start lobbying now!

Lykke til!

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Francisco Gomez — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:22:08 GMT

In the event of no-deal, there's no safeguards in place whatsoever.

The only way to secure your access to services & rights in the UK as an EEA, is by obtaining a UK passport If your country of origin allows double citizenship or you are happy losing the passport of your country if origin. And the only route to get a passport if you're an EEA, is by getting a Permanent Residency document first. However, the PR document might lose all its value after Brexit as it is an EU directive.

In the event of a deal, your rights should be secured for some time (undetermined), as the UK government is planning a 'settled status' which is not yet completed and it separates you from other UK citizens. It is expected to be easier to apply for 'settled status' if you have a PR card, but the necessary documentation for this is still pending from the EU/UK negotiations (nothing is agreed until everything is agreed) and the UK government requirements.

Under the 'settled status' proposal you'd be allowed to remain in the country for as long as you want unless UK courts unilaterally change your rights (as this status doesn't confer you rights to vote in GE but it subjects you to UK law) or you leave the country for a period longer than 2 years.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/safeguarding-the-position-of-eu-citizens-in-the-uk-and-uk-nationals-in-the-eu

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mariette asselbergs — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 19:35:59 GMT

To have permanent right of residency you must have lived and worked here for 5 continuous years and be prepared to prove it with a few kgs of documents and being able to remember any absences from the country during those 5 years. If you then get the permanent residence right, you will lose it if you leave for 2 years or more. So in your case i don't think you can count on any residence or work permit rights at all since you never completed the first 5 years and may have been absent anyway for 2 years. As it is so difficult to get vets, it may be a bit easier at the moment to be allowed to work, but don't count on it, the home office is not a bunch of reasonable people. Employers are made to check on employees right to work, and are liable to get high fines if they employ somebody without the proper rights. MRCVS or NI number don't help at all unfortunately.

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Clare Tapsfield-Wright — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:55:12 GMT

[quote user="Stigen"]

Anyone know how the silly Brexit will affect foreign vets working in the UK ?

In my case I am from Norway, worked 4 years in different surgeries befor going back to Norway. But now I am taking a sabbatical from clinical work to travel and meditate and such.
I always figured that I could go back to do a few months of locuming here and there while waiting for the right permanent job in Norway...but don`t know how it will be in the future.
I am a member of the royal college, and I have a UK national insurance card, registered with the NHS and the Tax-man.

[/quote] But Norway is not part of the EU is it ......

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Martin Atkinson — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:23:27 GMT

[quote user="Stigen"]Anyone know how the silly Brexit will affect foreign vets working in the UK ? [/quote]I'm really not sure what constitutes residency rights but my understanding of the outcome of the latest agreement is that EU members resident in the UK have the right to remain indefinitely and can leave for up to 3 years at a time and come back without those rights being rescinded. Also anyone form an EU country will be free to come and go regardless right up to the point we actually leave the EU and anyone becoming resident up to that point will have the same rights.