Part-time salary

RE: Part-time salary

J G Wray — Mon, 09 Oct 2017 12:32:43 GMT

[quote user="Clive Ansell"]a team I fit in with.[/quote]

"I", hmmmmmm

RE: Part-time salary

Clive Ansell — Mon, 09 Oct 2017 12:07:43 GMT

[quote user="J G Wray"]I would be looking for a colleague, a fee earner to satisfy the attributes decided as desirable by the whole team and capable of delivering 5 times salary in turnover, preferably more. COuld you do that?[/quote]

Yes, of course; assuming I am given the tools and the time to do my job properly, decent clientele, good management and a team I fit in with.

RE: Part-time salary

Neil Wheadon — Mon, 09 Oct 2017 10:26:20 GMT

Depends if the employer gave me the tools to do that with a pricing structure and clientele.

Maybe I'm old fashioned but I treat everyone the same. If an animal needs a mass removed I will recommend it, if it doesn't I won't. Ultimately my ATV is dictated by the codes on the computer

Neil

RE: Part-time salary

J G Wray — Mon, 09 Oct 2017 09:01:00 GMT

[quote user="Clive Ansell"]If I was looking for a full time position; I would start talking at an offer of £50k, no OOH, 5 to 6 weeks holiday, and paid RCVS and VDS fees, and supported CPD. Would that realistic? I don't know? [/quote]

I would be looking for a colleague, a fee earner to satisfy the attributes decided as desirable by the whole team and capable of delivering 5 times salary in turnover, preferably more. COuld you do that?

RE: Part-time salary

Clive Ansell — Mon, 09 Oct 2017 08:36:58 GMT

I think for a 20 hour week, which is roughly half, of a full time position of 38 -40 hours, and with no OOH I would want a minimum of £25k

If I was looking for a full time position; I would start talking at an offer of £50k, no OOH, 5 to 6 weeks holiday, and paid RCVS and VDS fees, and supported CPD. Would that realistic? I don't know?

RE: Part-time salary

An On MRCVS — Sun, 08 Oct 2017 15:33:45 GMT

Original anon here.

Thank you for all your help so far.

The practice is in Scotland on the outskirts of a small (50k) city. The average zoopla houseprice is 178k, we are paying £575 pcm for a small 2 bedroom flat.

Alastair, 20% for on call and then per rata is what I was thinking as well. Our pay was calculated at 21.50per hour as well, and I was told this includes the allowance for doing on call. The actual pay is higher at 35k so I am not sure how this has been worked out. Our full time hours are only about 28 a week so this seems very fair. I am happy with the salary as it is, I just wanted to get an idea what value to put on the on call to be prepared for the negotiation process. I don't want to have unrealistic expectations but on the other hand don't want to sell myself too cheap either. It is not yet clear if not doing on call will even be possible but that is a different topic.

I am not sure sure how OOH can be interpreted in different ways. I understand OOH as "on call"/in patient checks in addition to agreed working hours, so basically all times outside regular opening hours. If the practice is open at the weekend and I am scheduled to work 8-12 on a Saturday (or Sunday) morning it is not OOH, but part of my weekly hours.

RE: Part-time salary

Alastair Welch — Sun, 08 Oct 2017 09:49:00 GMT

I think that it is hard without knowing more detail but contributing to the OOH workload should carry a significant premium and conversely dropping it should come with a significant penalty.

As a ball park I would guess a loss of ~20-25% of salary (dependent on what you are counting as OOH) and then a pro rata reduction based on your previous hours down to 20 (so 50% if you were on a 40 hour week). It's likely to be quite a hefty reduction but (unless there is some innovative way of covering the OOH you were previously doing that we don't know about) either the remainning 2 vets doing OOH have just had a 50% increase in their nights on call or someone else has been hired at extra cost.

RE: Part-time salary

Gillian Mostyn — Sun, 08 Oct 2017 08:54:25 GMT

When I was the employer, my full time small animal vets (all approx 10 years qualified) were on around 50k for a 3 ½ to 4 day week (8.30 to 7) plus 2 in 5 Saturday mornings. They all had their own car and houses but we paid RCVS and one professional subscription.

However, looking back, Ian and I probably 'paid' for that by taking a reduced income ourselves and working long hours rather than pay locums. However, we did have good staff retention which is paramount when trying to build and maintain a practice. You take your choice....

RE: Part-time salary

Michael Woodhouse — Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:29:23 GMT

[quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]28 hours is 2/3 full time hours.... so why would £32k be generous ...unless youre paying your experienced full time vets less than 40k?? [/quote]

No nights and I thought a lot of these small animal practices did very long days (to make up for no OOH )? I suppose it depends on benefits etc because car, CPD, memberships etc can add 20+% to the value of a salary package. Remember the average salary for all employed vets is around that figure for all vets......

(although I was surprised how few benefits some vets get at some practices, even paying own RCVS!)

RE: Part-time salary

Gillian Mostyn — Sat, 07 Oct 2017 22:26:17 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]£32K is VERY generous. No way we could afford that on those hours.[/quote]

28 hours is 2/3 full time hours.... so why would £32k be generous ...unless youre paying your experienced full time vets less than 40k??

RE: Part-time salary

Michael Woodhouse — Sat, 07 Oct 2017 21:16:19 GMT

There's an old In Practice article (might be Peter Orpin, but don't hold me to that) with a kind of formula for working it out.

We took the salary and broke it into 6 parts, 1 for each weekday and 1 part for equal share of Sat AM and nights. Split days so we work 8.30-6.00 and AM half is 8.30-14.00 and PM is 13.00-18.00.

Working 50% of the time would get you 50% of your salary (and 50% of your benefits). With us OOH is not negotiable, so our part time vet did 1 full day, 2 half days and OOH.

£32K is VERY generous. No way we could afford that on those hours.

RE: Part-time salary

An On MRCVS — Sat, 07 Oct 2017 20:38:54 GMT

13 years qualified, part time, no OOH but do cover weekends and in-patient checks on a rota, small animal only, Zoopla average house price in my area this year ~£180k (so relatively poor area), I get paid approx £21.50 an hour.

RE: Part-time salary

Francisco Gomez — Sat, 07 Oct 2017 18:37:37 GMT

[quote user="niall morton"]

Depends alot on your current salary and hours worked.

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And what part of the country, job description, responsibilities, etc.. but pretty much, if you do half, you should get paid ...

RE: Part-time salary

Gillian Mostyn — Sat, 07 Oct 2017 18:13:45 GMT

My last locum was £270 a day.

Not all locums are experienced either, and most only work weekdays. My friend also works Saturdays and Sundays.

RE: Part-time salary

Neil Wheadon — Sat, 07 Oct 2017 12:58:45 GMT

20 hours a week is 2 days work?

Locums are about £250/day, so that's £500/week

47 x £500 = £23500, so Gillians friend is on a great deal or locums are cheap

However 28 hours = 3 days = £35250, so we're still cheap as an employer has other financial commitments

Neil

RE: Part-time salary

Gillian Mostyn — Sat, 07 Oct 2017 12:03:58 GMT

I know a vet on similar hours (probably nearer to 28 hours most weeks though), same experience and with no OOH. They get £32k.

RE: Part-time salary

niall morton — Sat, 07 Oct 2017 10:51:55 GMT

Depends alot on your current salary and hours worked.