What will be the result tomorrow in the election?

RE: What will be the result tomorrow in the election?

mariette asselbergs — Tue, 10 Oct 2017 21:56:39 GMT

Thanks Thomas, i was looking for the same to post.

Mariette

RE: What will be the result tomorrow in the election?

Thomas Johnson — Tue, 10 Oct 2017 18:51:36 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]

Dianne Abbott - brain of Britain!

Cannot take her at all seriously I am afraid.

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Diane Abbott had a pretty bad election campaign, but I do think that she has been very unfairly treated, for a bit of balance here's this blog by Jack Monroe, it's a bit emotional but makes some very good points:

https://cookingonabootstrap.com/2017/06/07/we-need-to-talk-about-diane-abbott-now-explicit-content/

RE: What will be the result tomorrow in the election?

Bob Russell — Tue, 10 Oct 2017 18:01:00 GMT

Dianne Abbott - brain of Britain!

Cannot take her at all seriously I am afraid.

RE: What will be the result tomorrow in the election?

Francisco Gomez — Mon, 09 Oct 2017 20:07:24 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]

the walking calculator

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Am I missing something?

RE: What will be the result tomorrow in the election?

Bob Russell — Mon, 09 Oct 2017 14:18:53 GMT

Actually I think part of the problem was the Conservatives were not piling it on. They were stupidly open about their plans!

They managed to alienate pretty much everybody.

They made fools of themselves with this "Strong, Stable Government" cr+p that made them a laughing stock.

I cannot think of a worse manifesto in history. More banana skins per yard than their worst opposition could have hoped for.

If I had a certain level of paranoia I would be looking for a group of people trying to derail the government. Too much reading the Daily Express!

I genuinely believe Teresa May is honest but perhaps we need someone devious and calculating to keep Corbyn, McDonell and the walking calculator from creating even more havoc than we have now.

RE: What will be the result tomorrow in the election?

Mark Hedberg — Mon, 09 Oct 2017 14:03:52 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]

the shock that her opponent was not going to follow any rules of decency and honesty

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In an election? You're having a laugh, both sides were piling it on thick and deep! :p

RE: What will be the result tomorrow in the election?

Chris Milligan — Mon, 09 Oct 2017 03:38:23 GMT

[quote user="Niall Taylor"]

[quote user="Bob Russell"]Jacob Rees-Mogg may have a future in the Tory party but not sure that time is now.[/quote]

Correct - that time is the 1930s

Niall

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*1830's

RE: What will be the result tomorrow in the election?

Francisco Gomez — Fri, 06 Oct 2017 15:29:56 GMT

[quote user="Nick Taylor"]

Unless all the politicians of this country realise we must all unite around leaving I suspect we may be caught in this process and uncertainty for a long time and a few leaders will be casualties.

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This won't ever happen. Imagine you ask the wider population what they think about vaccinations after watching a documentary about side effects. Many would think we should do without them, others would strongly support it. But at the end, the people you asked aren't the right ones to make a pragmatic decision.

This is going to be a very very long ride.

RE: What will be the result tomorrow in the election?

Niall Taylor — Thu, 05 Oct 2017 16:54:42 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]Jacob Rees-Mogg may have a future in the Tory party but not sure that time is now.[/quote]

Correct - that time is the 1930s

Niall

RE: What will be the result tomorrow in the election?

Bob Russell — Thu, 05 Oct 2017 11:12:16 GMT

I agree that Ms May is a good person (not necessarily a good quality for a politician). She needed a good election win to give her the power to negotiate the exit from the EU

The decision to call a general election did seem quite a logical one but the dreadful campaign and the shock that her opponent was not going to follow any rules of decency and honesty changed this to a disaster.

I suspect this country has become even more Euro skeptic and with hindsight we should have just walked! Not sure the Pound would be any lower and I suspect the EU would have started talking more realistically by now. At least the unknown would be known.

RE: What will be the result tomorrow in the election?

Nick Taylor — Thu, 05 Oct 2017 10:55:34 GMT

Theresa May is in a terrible position. She was a remainer who agreed to get us out of the EU. However she is surrounded by an EU and Labour Party who are more interested in bringing our government down than getting a deal that works best for all the people of Europe. In trying to appease these actors she is frustrating the natural Brexiters in her own party.

Unless all the politicians of this country realise we must all unite around leaving I suspect we may be caught in this process and uncertainty for a long time and a few leaders will be casualties.

I also wish we would get away from this idea of 'hard' and 'soft' Brexit. There is no such thing. It is simply code for leave or remain and wholly misleading to the public.

And finally I am most disappointed to see the Conservatives entertaining the idea of state intervention. A price cap on any market is a disaster. No one here would welcome one on veterinary fees and they certainly won't work in energy. Strong regulation for the vulnerable is welcomed but not artificially meddling in demand nor supply of an international market!

The combination of a disunited country around Brexit and Mrs Mays move towards the left makes me think she has limited time in the job sadly. I think she is a good lady who can get stuff done but she lacks true conviction. After all she was a remainer!

RE: What will be the result tomorrow in the election?

Bob Russell — Thu, 05 Oct 2017 10:21:03 GMT

A gun or knife would hopefully be picked up by security. He was dressed like a plonker and was armed with a piece of paper!

My concern is this person has more than one identity so this should have been flagged up. He has done similar things with other 'famous' people so should have been on a watch list. He gave out swastika daubed golf balls near Trump.

Jacob Rees-Mogg may have a future in the Tory party but not sure that time is now. He does hold some strong views that many would not agree with but at least he accepts this and does not appear to want to force them on others.

A decent Labour leader might just get my vote but not this lot.

RE: What will be the result tomorrow in the election?

Clare Tapsfield-Wright — Thu, 05 Oct 2017 10:06:08 GMT

[quote user="Rob Davis"]

[quote user="Clare Tapsfield-Wright"]

The most shocking thing for me was that security allowed someone to get close enough to our PM and hand her that P45 . It could have been a gun knife acid or a bomb.

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He was only armed with a piece of paper, how could that be prevented?

[/quote]Not letting him get near the stage? I take your point but he could still have assaulted her. All he had to do was dress to look like Jacob Rees- Mogg with loads of brylcreem and a low side parting and it was assumed he was a loyal Tory. Kevin Costner wouldn’t have let him get past

RE: What will be the result tomorrow in the election?

Bob Russell — Thu, 05 Oct 2017 09:33:26 GMT

I am not overly worried by the apparent state of the Brexit talks. The EU was hardly going to make it anything other than as melodramatic as possible. There are genuine fears that other countries might attempt to exit as well.

We all know that arrangements could be agreed in a day if necessary and implemented within whatever period was agreed.

There is a lot of posturing and d=ck waving by the EU negotiators and a pretty non melodramatic response from the UK. I knew little about David Davis but people that have worked with him for years say he is a very astute negotiator so we really should trust him to do his job.

Ms May is a different matter. She has been a good organiser in the past but it seems she is out of her depth.

Another one for Boris here! It may be a disastrous roller coaster of a ride but it will be a wild one!

Cannot abide this blandness!

RE: What will be the result tomorrow in the election?

Rob Davis — Thu, 05 Oct 2017 09:26:53 GMT

[quote user="Clare Tapsfield-Wright"]

The most shocking thing for me was that security allowed someone to get close enough to our PM and hand her that P45 . It could have been a gun knife acid or a bomb.

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He was only armed with a piece of paper, how could that be prevented?

RE: What will be the result tomorrow in the election?

Arlo Guthrie — Thu, 05 Oct 2017 09:16:08 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]

[quote user="Martin Hamilton"]The negotiations thus far have achieved nothing (according to both the UK goverment and the EU). They haven't even resolved EU citizen rights (or Brits abroad), and we're a quarter of the way through the Article 50 timeline. Never mind NI border, which is a much more complex issue I'd imagine, or the "divorce" bill.[/quote]

What do you expect? This will get batted backwards and forwards with everyone looking to save face and then a plan will fall into place on the deadline. I'd be amazed if everything was sorted by now. Both sides (rightly) playing cards close to their chest and trying not to blink.[/quote]

Couldn't agree more.

Can't remember if I posted this before, but I found myself in conversation with a senior economist a couple of months ago. His take was that the world is facing some very fundamental changes over the next decade (automation, for example), and that countries that are light on their feet and able to adapt quickly (ie not having to put everything through a 27 member committee) will be best placed to thrive.

Still, I fear this country is going to blink first.

[quote user="Martin Hamilton"]how is everyone feeling about the current state of government?[/quote]

Uninspired. Seems to lack any big ideas.

RE: What will be the result tomorrow in the election?

Martin Atkinson — Thu, 05 Oct 2017 08:57:28 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]He's still great. Boris for PM.[/quote]Boris is Donald Trump with an expensive education and a brain and probably all the more dangerous for it.

RE: What will be the result tomorrow in the election?

Neil Wheadon — Thu, 05 Oct 2017 08:37:16 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]He's still great. Boris for PM[/quote]

The country has been split. Politicians and voters are now referred to as Brexiters or Remainers. The fact remains that these two camps voted for Theresa May as PM, they did not vote for blatant political ambition with little substance. I don't want the clowns running the circus and he is a prized example.

Maybe, as has been rammed down my throat by so many after a close referendum, we should respect the will of the people in a vote more decisive than June and get on with it and accept it, however it seems that it's one rule for us and one for Boris and his cronies.

Neil

RE: What will be the result tomorrow in the election?

Francisco Gomez — Thu, 05 Oct 2017 06:40:02 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]

He's still great. Boris for PM.

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Tried to show the benefits of whiskey trade in a Sikh temple, singing a colonial song in Myanmar, latest joke about 'clearing dead bodies' from a city in Libya. Even implied in his book that Churchill only fought Nazis because he expected them to lose. I really hope you're joking.

RE: What will be the result tomorrow in the election?

Michael Woodhouse — Thu, 05 Oct 2017 00:16:38 GMT

[quote user="Martin Hamilton"]
The negotiations thus far have achieved nothing (according to both the UK goverment and the EU). They haven't even resolved EU citizen rights (or Brits abroad), and we're a quarter of the way through the Article 50 timeline. Never mind NI border, which is a much more complex issue I'd imagine, or the "divorce" bill.
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[quote user="Martin Hamilton"]Johnson coming out with some contradictory information which goes against May's statements.[/quote]

He's still great. Boris for PM.

RE: What will be the result tomorrow in the election?

Neil Wheadon — Wed, 04 Oct 2017 22:34:13 GMT

Cheer up Martin. After many years of the 'grey hair vote' being in charge, the political mood is starting to shift towards our future and that's your generation/

The adulation of Corbyn has helped, and although it has been heavily choriographed and his policies ruinous, it has started to shift political thinking.

I felt sorry for Theresa May today, being on show with a heavy cold must be dreadful and once the media had had a laugh at her expense, analysis of her announcements showed that maybe things are changing.

As for Brexit, as David says it's a negotiation and does anyone really know what's going on in that room in Brussels, however the can is being kicked down the road, 2 years transition period, could be 3, could be.........

Neil

RE: What will be the result tomorrow in the election?

Martin Hamilton — Wed, 04 Oct 2017 21:17:28 GMT

[quote user="David Mills"]

[quote user="Martin Hamilton"]

So...a few months on, Brexit talks at a standstill, inflation still above target, and post party conferences, how is everyone feeling about the current state of government?

I accepted that we'd have Tories for another 5 years, wasn't happy about it but accepted it...but the government is in a shambles right now. Felt quite sorry for May today after that train-wreck of a speech

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Conference speeches

Brexit hardly at standstill. It's a negotiation dear.

Shambles? How?

And of course inflation is within the complete control of government

Oh how I chuckle at the left at times like these.

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I mean the conferences and their leaders' speeches are meant to outline party policy. Not saying I'm happy with either of the two main parties leader speeches, just noting the huge difference in tone between the two. Especially after today.

The negotiations thus far have achieved nothing (according to both the UK goverment and the EU). They haven't even resolved EU citizen rights (or Brits abroad), and we're a quarter of the way through the Article 50 timeline. Never mind NI border, which is a much more complex issue I'd imagine, or the "divorce" bill.

Shambles because the main party in power can't decide amoungst themselves whether they want a "hard" or "soft" Brexit, Johnson coming out with some contradictory information which goes against May's statements. How can we proceed with negatiations if the Tories can't agree with themselves?

Inflation is outside of any one person or entities control (arguably the BoE), yet it could be agrued that policy, particularly economic policy (*cough* Brexit *cough*) plays a major role.

As I said, I'm not saying Corbyn would be making much headway in this area either, rather I'm just venting my frustrations to the world of VetSurgeon.org

And yes, rather shocking that such a major security breach happened!

RE: What will be the result tomorrow in the election?

Clare Tapsfield-Wright — Wed, 04 Oct 2017 20:40:44 GMT

The most shocking thing for me was that security allowed someone to get close enough to our PM and hand her that P45 . It could have been a gun knife acid or a bomb.

RE: What will be the result tomorrow in the election?

David Mills — Wed, 04 Oct 2017 20:35:02 GMT

[quote user="Martin Hamilton"]

So...a few months on, Brexit talks at a standstill, inflation still above target, and post party conferences, how is everyone feeling about the current state of government?

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Conference speeches

Brexit hardly at standstill. It's a negotiation dear.

Shambles? How?

And of course inflation is within the complete control of government

Oh how I chuckle at the left at times like these.

RE: What will be the result tomorrow in the election?

Martin Hamilton — Wed, 04 Oct 2017 20:22:29 GMT

So...a few months on, Brexit talks at a standstill, inflation still above target, and post party conferences, how is everyone feeling about the current state of government?

Restrictions on renting and more council built houses would be welcomed by many my age. Heck, my landlord increased my rent by £100 per month with a months notice, and basically said either pay up or move out....unfortunately the cost of renting in my area has increased across the board, and moving wouldn't make much of a difference. Though council housing would first go to those who are less well off (which is correct in my opinion), which means it probably wouldn't alter my situation.

Less about my thoughts, what are your views on the last few months of UK politics? (thought I'd continue the discussion here rather than create a new post)