I'm passionate, you're opinionated, he's rude

RE: I'm passionate, you're opinionated, he's rude

J G Wray — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 15:20:06 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]Anyone who has been to Bangor will spot the irony.[/quote]

Gosh it's warm here, closer to the Equator.

RE: I'm passionate, you're opinionated, he's rude

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 15:00:40 GMT

[quote user="J G Wray"]

Ah! normality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8WiPy1xSkw

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Anyone who has been to Bangor will spot the irony.

Anyway:

www.youtube.com/watch

(By the way, have you noticed that since Elvis Presley's magnificent version, nobody includes the second stanza?)

RE: I'm passionate, you're opinionated, he's rude

J G Wray — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 14:36:55 GMT

Ah! normality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8WiPy1xSkw

RE: I'm passionate, you're opinionated, he's rude

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 13:28:23 GMT

[quote user="J G Wray"]Was Saturday wet after a stormy Friday night In Bangor?[/quote]

It certainly was, we all had to have a shower and change the sheets.

www.youtube.com/watch

RE: I'm passionate, you're opinionated, he's rude

J G Wray — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 06:51:13 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]

[quote user="J G Wray"]What about the play, incest, lust, murder and a masqued ball? Plenty of rudeness, passion and opinion there all played out in a social setting. [/quote]

Do I have to put you right on everything[/quote]

Was Saturday wet after a stormy Friday night In Bangor?

RE: I'm passionate, you're opinionated, he's rude

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 22:38:23 GMT

[quote user="J G Wray"]What about the play, incest, lust, murder and a masqued ball? Plenty of rudeness, passion and opinion there all played out in a social setting. [/quote]

It's lovely. But the play is entitled " 'tis Pity She's a Whore" not "Tis A Pity She Was A Whore". Do I have to put you right on everything?

www.youtube.com/watch

RE: I'm passionate, you're opinionated, he's rude

David Mills — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 22:36:36 GMT

[quote user="Francisco Gomez"]

[quote user="David Mills"]

As I asked of Mr G are you actually being serious?? But, of course, this is the left - there is one opinion that is right, and all others must be demonsised and closed down. Welcome to Corbyn's Britain.

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Arlo 'left'?

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I think this is one of my favourite strawmans of the week (that's saying something). Quite an achievement.

RE: I'm passionate, you're opinionated, he's rude

Francisco Gomez — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 22:21:48 GMT

[quote user="David Mills"]

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Arlo 'left'?

RE: I'm passionate, you're opinionated, he's rude

David Mills — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 21:48:18 GMT

[quote user="Francisco Gomez"]

[quote user="Iain Richards"]

It is unfortunate when good topics get spoiled by a poor choice of language.

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Indeed. I read the whole thread today (or as much as I could manage). Thirty minutes I'll never get back.

I thought this was uncalled for. Honestly. Horrendous:

[quote user="David Mills"]

My days.

I have no words apart from what a crock of embarrassing shit. Hang your head.

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But then I realised I posted this today:

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C'mon Bob. Is this you or the editor of the Daily Mail?

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I'm not remotely proud of it.

I don't know what you think about the two above statements. Is my comment better than David's? I'm not even sure.

But I think the problem resides here:

[quote user="Arlo Guthrie"]

It is very clear to me that hostile, snide, belittling, unfriendly or other such posts deter others from participating. That is a dreadful shame. It's also incredibly selfish.

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The definition of 'hostile, snide, etc...' is subjective. Maybe David comment was good for.. er... David Mills and perhaps for Michael Woodhouse? Because they both find they would be happy to receive it they deserved it?

There is a reason forums contain a moderator figure, in this case Arlo. The reason is that some authority has to prevail. And I'm sorry if it sounds undemocratic but someone has to decide how high or low the line is, and what to do if the line is crossed.

I partly moderate a forum of 30K+ people. We are about 8 moderators there and we often disagree on what it should be allowed and what not.

My feeling is that Arlo's measuring tape might not be the best but it is pretty accurate. Maybe I'm being subjective too and I say so because I agree with where that line (the one we shouldn't cross) is placed. But never mind what I think of Arlo Guthrie's moderating powers:

Someone has to do that (authoritarian) job and if it that line isn't respected. Then you should pay the consequences. It is that simple.

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Goodness me. This really is getting silly now. I'm aware the profession is somewhat skewed to the left, but posts like this have my jaw on the floor. "horrendous"?! As I asked of Mr G are you actually being serious?? But, of course, this is the left - there is one opinion that is right, and all others must be demonsised and closed down. Welcome to Corbyn's Britain.

RE: I'm passionate, you're opinionated, he's rude

Francisco Gomez — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 21:32:31 GMT

[quote user="Iain Richards"]

It is unfortunate when good topics get spoiled by a poor choice of language.

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Indeed. I read the whole thread today (or as much as I could manage). Thirty minutes I'll never get back.

I thought this was uncalled for. Honestly. Horrendous:

[quote user="David Mills"]

My days.

I have no words apart from what a crock of embarrassing shit. Hang your head.

[/quote]

But then I realised I posted this today:

[quote]

C'mon Bob. Is this you or the editor of the Daily Mail?

[/quote]

I'm not remotely proud of it.

I don't know what you think about the two above statements. Is my comment better than David's? I'm not even sure.

But I think the problem resides here:

[quote user="Arlo Guthrie"]

It is very clear to me that hostile, snide, belittling, unfriendly or other such posts deter others from participating. That is a dreadful shame. It's also incredibly selfish.

[/quote]

I partly moderate a forum of 30K+ people. We are about 8 moderators there and we often disagree on what it should be allowed and what not.

Someone has to do that (authoritarian) job and if it that line isn't respected. Then you should pay the consequences. It is that simple.

RE: I'm passionate, you're opinionated, he's rude

J G Wray — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 18:33:17 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]

I've no idea. I've never understood why everyone thinks David Bowie is so great.

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What about the play, incest, lust, murder and a masqued ball? Plenty of rudeness, passion and opinion there all played out in a social setting. Just like Bangor on a wet Saturday night, which is most of them of course.

RE: I'm passionate, you're opinionated, he's rude

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 18:15:45 GMT

[quote user="J G Wray"]

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]Look, you silly person (not you Thomas!): "woman" is straight description. "Lady" is polite. So, the lady who wrote this particular article was a laundrywoman. That's both accurate and polite. There's nothing offensive, demeaning, belittling or of any hidden linguistic agenda there.[/quote]

Is there anything"offensive, demeaning, belittling or of any hidden linguistic agenda" here?

(Please visit the site to view this video)

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I've no idea. I've never understood why everyone thinks David Bowie is so great.

RE: I'm passionate, you're opinionated, he's rude

Rob Loxley — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 17:56:15 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]

[quote user="robloxley"]Can this not be fixed in the forum software; auto-merging sequential posts by the same author?[/quote]

Arlo's got enough to do without tinkering to stop one poster

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My question was rather whether the software the forum runs will do this anyway; for instance running IPB/IPS (not here), it is a standard feature that can be switched on

RE: I'm passionate, you're opinionated, he's rude

Arlo Guthrie — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 17:39:25 GMT

[quote user="robloxley"]

[quote user="Arlo Guthrie"]

Tony, you're at it again: turbo posting!

STOP. PLEASE!

We could make a start if I could get you to agree not to post any sequential posts in the same thread

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Can this not be fixed in the forum software; auto-merging sequential posts by the same author?[/quote]

Hadn't thought of that, but it could be quite an expensive solution, given the number of people affected . I'm giving Tony some help with the multi-quote function (ie replying to multiple posts in one reply), which should reduce turbo posts dramatically.

RE: I'm passionate, you're opinionated, he's rude

Anthony Todd — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 17:37:42 GMT

[quote user="robloxley"]Can this not be fixed in the forum software; auto-merging sequential posts by the same author?[/quote]

Arlo's got enough to do without tinkering to stop one poster.

I'll try and group reply if I think it'll make any difference

RE: I'm passionate, you're opinionated, he's rude

Rob Loxley — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 17:24:58 GMT

[quote user="Arlo Guthrie"]

Tony, you're at it again: turbo posting!

STOP. PLEASE!

We could make a start if I could get you to agree not to post any sequential posts in the same thread

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Can this not be fixed in the forum software; auto-merging sequential posts by the same author?

RE: I'm passionate, you're opinionated, he's rude

J G Wray — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 16:51:32 GMT

Is there anything"offensive, demeaning, belittling or of any hidden linguistic agenda" here?

www.youtube.com/watch

RE: I'm passionate, you're opinionated, he's rude

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 15:45:29 GMT

[quote user="Arlo Guthrie"]Bear with me ... I'm getting there![/quote] That's nice. I have my bear with me, too. Not sure where I'm getting though.
It' certainly better to have a bear with you than one behind you.

[quote user="Thomas Johnson"]https://debuk.wordpress.com/2015/05/16/call-me-woman/[/quote]

Gawd help us, that really is tying yourself in knots.

Look, you silly person (not you Thomas!): "woman" is straight description. "Lady" is polite. So, the lady who wrote this particular article was a laundrywoman. That's both accurate and polite. There's nothing offensive, demeaning, belittling or of any hidden linguistic agenda there.

Interestingly, we usually speak of a laundress rather than a laundrywoman. But that is by the by.

RE: I'm passionate, you're opinionated, he's rude

Iain Richards — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 13:13:16 GMT

[quote user="J G Wray"]

This might make you feel better

https://web.csulb.edu/colleges/cba/marketing/classroom/documents/TheRightsandWrongsofRudeness.pdf[/quote]

Well I felt fine before I tried to read it... However, the flow chart sort of confirmed my posting. What I referred to as intemperate language applies equally well to scientific debate or opinion, it is rarely helpful.

RE: I'm passionate, you're opinionated, he's rude

Arlo Guthrie — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 09:05:36 GMT

Anthony Todd

Tony, you're at it again: turbo posting!

STOP. PLEASE!

We could make a start if I could get you to agree not to post any sequential posts in the same thread. Will you agree to that?

(If you want to reply to more than one person in the same post, press 'review entire thread' when you come to reply, then highlight the bits of text you want to reply to and press 'quote'. You can do this multiple times in the same reply, which should dramatically reduce your post count!)

By way of example, that's what I am doing in this reply ...

[quote user="Iain Richards"]It is unfortunate when good topics get spoiled by a poor choice of language. I thought I'd provide an evidenced based post on the "Pre-Anaesthetic" thread and was somewhat surprised at some of the posts. The evidence was that 10/126 posts contained information that might have been relevant......[/quote]

That's really interesting, thank you, and I am working on various solutions to the problem of bringing relevant information to the surface.

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]Yes and Arlo one bleeding star adds nothing to the value, or devalue, of the post.[/quote]

I know - a bugbear of mine for a while. I am working on a solution (expecting quote from developers very shortly). I know, I said I'd do it a lot earlier - it has been delayed by a) further improvements to VetSurgeon Jobs which took much longer than expected (which is what pays for all this!), other things in the development pot, including Vet Confessionals, Debate of the Month, Positive Thinking (a little project I have been working on in the background), not to mention a child in and out of hospital like a yo yo.

Bear with me ... I'm getting there!

RE: I'm passionate, you're opinionated, he's rude

Thomas Johnson — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 08:47:45 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]It's an interesting piece.She writes lucidly (quite an achievement for an American academic) but really ties herself in knots for no good reason. And she seems to think that addressing an audience of female Homo sapiens as "ladies" is rude. On the contrary, it is polite.[/quote]

There is some objection to the use of 'lady' as opposed to 'women', you may find this interesting:

https://debuk.wordpress.com/2015/05/16/call-me-woman/

Though I'm more surprised that one of his examples of acceptable rudeness is to 'slap a hysteric'.

RE: I'm passionate, you're opinionated, he's rude

Anthony Todd — Wed, 31 May 2017 18:46:58 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

[quote user="Thomas Johnson"]However wrong you think someone is you're very unlikely to change their mind on something that they strongly believe in by belittling their argument and insulting them. I can't imagine it's how anybody would behave with a client in the consulting room.....[/quote]I have been known to - usually just before I'm about to wash my hands of them or report them to the RSPCA. Occasionally it works and they become reformed characters but generally leopards don't change their spots.

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Y'see this is n irrelevant tangent, with a sort of twist, and I really can't see why it was posted in an important thread.

RE: I'm passionate, you're opinionated, he's rude

Anthony Todd — Wed, 31 May 2017 18:42:24 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

I think you're losing sight of the fact that this is a forum for discussion not a scientific debate, it is inevitable that threads get sidetracked. Think more about an argument between friends in a pub, a bit of 'flowery' language enhances it. While it is true there are a few members who are too dogmatic and turbo post the same mantra, it would be very boring if it was all fact and no opinion.

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Yes and Arlo one bleeding star adds nothing to the value, or devalue, of the post.

So easy to "give" yet so apparently damning.

If I said [as my boss did that "chloroform suited him when he castrated horses" one star would follow so nobody would know whether it was chloroform or the poster or the opinion that got the one star.

Recall the red-star and delete one star! Make red stars ONLY for unnecessary insults or in- appropriate responses and let the arguments and confrontations abide ARLO!!

RE: I'm passionate, you're opinionated, he's rude

Anthony Todd — Wed, 31 May 2017 18:36:16 GMT

[quote user="J G Wray"]

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]She writes lucidly (quite an achievement for an American academic)[/quote]

She?

I suppose it's the nominal gender vagueness thing, like Evelyn.

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You've gotta admit the response adds nothing to anything in this thread so far!

Actually, this is true of any insult or rudeness!

eg If I'd said "You *ickhead, this adds nothing to the thread" my insult would add nothing relevant to the thread.

Almost always insults reveal a paucity of rebuttal, or a personal attack or opinion, not relating to the post.

The difficulty for me always arises when a post condemns an approach to a clinical situation which I believe, based solely on my experience to be wrong but is then rubbished without any sensible rebuttal.

Gee, look at the trouble I was in when I showed that some drug had actually been tested on normal animals to prove that trial dosage was possible er, and harmless!

RE: I'm passionate, you're opinionated, he's rude

J G Wray — Wed, 31 May 2017 16:37:51 GMT

[quote user="Iain Richards"]Arlo does a great job in reining in some diverse and strong opinions, but I have one (rhetorical) question for those inclined to intemperate language - Does it enhance your argument or the strength of your opinion? Post if the former, delete if the latter.[/quote]

And you shouldn't forget:

"Feedback is a gift...."