How will Manchester affect the general election?

RE: How will Manchester affect the general election?

Bob Russell — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 15:00:24 GMT

[quote user="ruths"]

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The country is tanking at the same time it is thriving and outperforming other countries in the Eurozone.

The Pound is rebounding at the same time it is dropping. Brexit is an opportunity at the same time it is a disaster.

Corbyn is going to win a clear majority at the election at the same time Ms May is going to do the same.

Eurocrats are going to punish the UK at the same time they are going to maintain close, friendly relations with the UK.

Part of the problem with news organisations and the internet is they all have an axe to grind and appear capable of spinning figures in diametrically opposite directions.

Everyone can find an article that backs up their beliefs and biases!

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my article was a report of what's happening right niw

David's are projections of what might happen tbf

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The article seems to be based on a single quarters figures. Lower spending as a result of inflation and insecurity. All to be expected and largely relating to changes in the Pound dropping in value.

Speculation on the currency markets and financial markets are more relevant to the figures at the moment than what is happening in the real world. I accept the markets may well crash should Corbyn be voted in. The markets are jittery enough with just the idea it may happen.

I don't like the insecurity but as a profession we tend to do better as people stay at home more and notice their pets are not right!!

Also:

"In a boost for the economy, new export orders continues to remain above the long-term average, showed the respected Markit/CIPS UK purchasing managers' index (PMI).

Manufacturing output came in at 57.3 last month - a reading above 50 indicates growth - whereas economists had been expecting the index to come in at 56.5."

RE: How will Manchester affect the general election?

ruths — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 13:43:32 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]

The country is tanking at the same time it is thriving and outperforming other countries in the Eurozone.

The Pound is rebounding at the same time it is dropping. Brexit is an opportunity at the same time it is a disaster.

Corbyn is going to win a clear majority at the election at the same time Ms May is going to do the same.

Eurocrats are going to punish the UK at the same time they are going to maintain close, friendly relations with the UK.

Part of the problem with news organisations and the internet is they all have an axe to grind and appear capable of spinning figures in diametrically opposite directions.

Everyone can find an article that backs up their beliefs and biases!

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my article was a report of what's happening right niw

David's are projections of what might happen tbf

RE: How will Manchester affect the general election?

Bob Russell — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 10:57:36 GMT

The country is tanking at the same time it is thriving and outperforming other countries in the Eurozone.

The Pound is rebounding at the same time it is dropping. Brexit is an opportunity at the same time it is a disaster.

Corbyn is going to win a clear majority at the election at the same time Ms May is going to do the same.

Eurocrats are going to punish the UK at the same time they are going to maintain close, friendly relations with the UK.

Part of the problem with news organisations and the internet is they all have an axe to grind and appear capable of spinning figures in diametrically opposite directions.

Everyone can find an article that backs up their beliefs and biases!

RE: How will Manchester affect the general election?

Martin Atkinson — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 10:31:16 GMT

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The uber serious naivety of the left does amuse me so. Talk of Conservatives losing the election because of a few bumps in the road, and the usual leftish tripe being trotted out about taxing the rich fat cats more which flies directly in the face of all economics evidence that reducing the taxation bands actualy increases revenue. Add in the convenient amnesia about the Blair years and the mess the economy was in when the Conservatives took over (now one of the fatest growing in the devloped world, and crapping all over other EU states), and it all becomes somewhat hilarious really.

Anyone who can even contemplate money tree Corbyn being allowed near the levers of power - never mind Abbot, McDonnell et al - /i just cannot understand. He's now saying he's going to get rid of homelessness (?!) and dishing out money all over the place. I can only assume that he knows he's going to lose and is desperately trying to reduce the damage.

I've just put my bets on. Majority north of 80. Anyome fancy a vetsurgeon wager for charity?

[/quote]The trouble is David that a very high proportion of the electorate, and probably biased heavily towards traditional Labour voters (latterly also UKIP) because they are thick, don't understand or care about any of this. They hear blind promises from JC that they think will make them better off and sting those who they perceive as more privileged than them simply but fail to realise that those people are better off because they work harder and actually have a brain, without for one moment considering the greater consequences.

Same as with few exceptions those who voted Brexit did so because they are knuckle dragging xenophobes who don't have a clue of the machinations of the EU. Ditto those Americans who voted Trump

RE: How will Manchester affect the general election?

Neil Wheadon — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 09:38:23 GMT

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Ha I'm in Malawi.

Don't send money. I know you're a gracious and respectable bet loser...Have you cleared this with the wife?

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Lucky you, I hear the chocolate isn't great though

Not yet, but she read the post. It's our 25th wedding anniversary next week, so when we go out, she'll skip dessert just for you

Neil

PS I sound like Anthony, what a bizarre thing to 2 star this, unless Sarah did it, or the winners of Bake off

RE: How will Manchester affect the general election?

David Mills — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 02:30:20 GMT

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Except the economy is tanking and there's a worry that migration is going to fall and create more problems

http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/GCA-EconomyUK/idUKKBN18L0WV?il=0

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Oh Ruth came on.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-article-50-pwc-britain-uk-economy-growing-faster-than-france-and-germany-by-2050-2017-2

https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/03/28/eu-referendum-article-50-charts-show-uks-economy-has-performed/amp

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/36956418

Hardly tanking.

What about this silly socialist policy of taking highest earners more? Do you agree with this grandstanding from the Islington One?

RE: How will Manchester affect the general election?

David Mills — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 23:42:15 GMT

[quote user="Neil Wheadon"]

[quote user="David Mills"]A locum who can't afford fiver. #maysbritain[/quote]

Oh all right, Samaritans.

What's your address, I'm away to Norway on polling day (and Sarah has my proxy vote), I'll pop the £5 in the post tomorrow

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Ha I'm in Malawi.

Don't send money. I know you're a gracious and respectable bet loser...Have you cleared this with the wife?

RE: How will Manchester affect the general election?

Clare Tapsfield-Wright — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 23:33:28 GMT

I'm sick of the whole show now. I think only the media and the politicians are still interested in squabbling , character assassination and snide point scoring. Social media has made it all about personalities and sound bites like the referendum show all over again. We are in a world where the country that had Abraham Lincoln has elected a loose cannon like Trump. I have lost respect for many of the politicians who behave like children playing a game of Risk with our country . The members of the audience on Question time are sounding increasingly more intelligent than the politicians.

RE: How will Manchester affect the general election?

David Mills — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 23:29:13 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]

[quote user="David Mills"]

Ha! You obviously never been to Rochdale (lucky you). It hurt, it really did.

OK so I think a >80 majority. What say you?

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To be honest I haven't! Erm I'm voting conservative (always have in general elections since I was 18) and I'm very confident they will win. I'm not sure what the margin will be, but happy going in with a sweepstake if we pick closest number!

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Ooooo a sweepstake would be good. Put it in bands or people suggest what they want. A pot. All goes to charity of the winner.

If I'm still allowed on here

RE: How will Manchester affect the general election?

Neil Wheadon — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 23:28:42 GMT

[quote user="David Mills"]A locum who can't afford fiver. #maysbritain[/quote]

Oh all right, Samaritans.

What's your address, I'm away to Norway on polling day (and Sarah has my proxy vote), I'll pop the £5 in the post tomorrow

RE: How will Manchester affect the general election?

Michael Woodhouse — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 23:25:42 GMT

[quote user="David Mills"]

Ha! You obviously never been to Rochdale (lucky you). It hurt, it really did.

OK so I think a >80 majority. What say you?

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RE: How will Manchester affect the general election?

David Mills — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 23:25:30 GMT

[quote user="Neil Wheadon"]

[quote user="David Mills"]oh come on sir.[/quote]

Noooooo..... you've got some kind of crazy Lord of the Rings Crystal Ball tucked away somewhere

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A locum who can't afford fiver. #maysbritain

RE: How will Manchester affect the general election?

Neil Wheadon — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 23:23:40 GMT

[quote user="David Mills"]oh come on sir.[/quote]

Noooooo..... you've got some kind of crazy Lord of the Rings Crystal Ball tucked away somewhere

RE: How will Manchester affect the general election?

David Mills — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 23:23:29 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]

[quote user="David Mills"]Anyome fancy a vetsurgeon wager for charity?[/quote]

Yes!

[quote user="David Mills"]Confession time: I voted LIB DEM.[/quote]

I used to like you!

There are other ways of spoiling a ballot paper.....

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Ha! You obviously never been to Rochdale (lucky you). It hurt, it really did.

OK so I think a >80 majority. What say you?

RE: How will Manchester affect the general election?

David Mills — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 23:20:42 GMT

[quote user="Neil Wheadon"] Neil (and no I'm not betting on that)[/quote]

oh come on sir.

currenyly4/1on best market for no overall majorirty.

I'll lay you that. If it is I'll pay 20 to a charity of your choice. If not you pay a fiver to mine. Come on...

RE: How will Manchester affect the general election?

Neil Wheadon — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 23:20:09 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]Yes, but the bias is already in the hands of the tenant. Push it too much and there will be no rental property.[/quote]

Try telling that to the Vet Nurse within commutable distance to London where there is bigger demand than in Yorkshire (I'm being honest here) She daren't complain about a rent rise, non repair of a leaking kitchen or query the annual £150 service charge (basically a bit of paper re-iterating her agreement) because she was in fear of being flung out. This policy will hopefully be picked up by an incoming government

Neil (Sandal wearing, humous munching West Country Liberal Democrat)

RE: How will Manchester affect the general election?

Michael Woodhouse — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 23:17:20 GMT

[quote user="David Mills"]Anyome fancy a vetsurgeon wager for charity?[/quote]

Yes!

[quote user="David Mills"]Confession time: I voted LIB DEM.[/quote]

I used to like you!

There are other ways of spoiling a ballot paper.....

RE: How will Manchester affect the general election?

Michael Woodhouse — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 23:15:01 GMT

[quote user="Martin Hamilton"]a low minimum wage (when compared to the living wage), which has certainly affected my practice - many nurses leaving because they can't afford child care and living costs on a near min wage[/quote]

That's meaningless. I pay our staff what I think they are worth to the practice. Our student VN is on nearly double the minimum I could legally pay her. I don't have anyone on minimum wage.

That said, if you up minimum wage, all you will do is increase unemployment. Some people really are barely worth it and putting it up in order of pounds will mean companies lay off people.

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- The Tory social policy seems a little daft to me - we have the highest student debt in Europe, meaning people get on the property ladder far later in life, if at all

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Student loans are not counted as debt when getting a mortgage. I owe over £30,000 and HSBC didn't care on the money owing only the repayment aspect. Put it to the back of your mind - it's insignificant.

[quote user="Martin Hamilton"]Labour has proposed more regulation of the rented property sector, which as a renter is very appealing[/quote]

Yes, but the bias is already in the hands of the tenant. Push it too much and there will be no rental property.

RE: How will Manchester affect the general election?

Gillian Mostyn — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 23:11:11 GMT

[quote user="Martin Hamilton"] a low minimum wage (when compared to the living wage), which has certainly affected my practice - many nurses leaving because they can't afford child care and living costs on a near min wage. [/quote]

Either that's all the practice can afford, or your boss is a rich man/woman. Which is it? If the former, you either need to start charging more or the forced wage rises will lead to lost jobs. If the latter, which would be unusual but possible, I guess, then there is nothing to stop them simply reducing staff to maintain their healthy income!

RE: How will Manchester affect the general election?

Neil Wheadon — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 23:08:56 GMT

Amber Rudd deserves credit as well, her father died 2 days before. Regardless of the morals of TM throwing her to the lions it does show that the conservatives do have more depth than Labour, which when forming a government is needed. Ha ho, roll on another coalition

Neil (and no I'm not betting on that)

RE: How will Manchester affect the general election?

David Mills — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 23:06:28 GMT

[quote user="Neil Wheadon"]

[quote user="David Mills"]

Confession time: I voted LIB DEM.

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I'll send you a bumper sticker, Sarah won't let me hang my orange poster on the house in a sea of blue (Though I'm quite tempted to spray a ring of golden stars on them)

Neil

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I'd love to see a video of this. Neil pursued by wife.

She sent me a blog written by your son of your cycle trip and in my busyness never thanked her. It was highly amusing especially the thought of you having to pump your tyre up every 10 minutes. Please apologise and thank her!

In other matters,let's talk betting...

RE: How will Manchester affect the general election?

David Mills — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 23:02:51 GMT

[quote user="Martin Hamilton"]a leader who has refused to debate for the reason that she wants to meet "[/quote]

Oh come come. NO leader in their right mind wpuld do a TV debate with 6 other clowns. All the pollsfrom US and this country sho you only do damage. It's a pathetic argument from the minor parties.Did you see the debate? It wascomical, infantile, and chaotic. TM gained from it despite the "social media" reaction (most of whom won't vote). Well done her.

RE: How will Manchester affect the general election?

Neil Wheadon — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 23:01:48 GMT

[quote user="David Mills"]

Confession time: I voted LIB DEM.

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I'll send you a bumper sticker, Sarah won't let me hang my orange poster on the house in a sea of blue (Though I'm quite tempted to spray a ring of golden stars on them)

Neil

RE: How will Manchester affect the general election?

David Mills — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 22:58:41 GMT

[quote user="Neil Wheadon"]

[quote user="David Mills"]Anyome fancy a vetsurgeon wager for charity?[/quote]

Careful folks, he's a soothsayer (and a good sport if you take him on)

Neil

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Confession time: I voted LIB DEM.

I know. It hurt. But it's in Rochdale. Conservatives not in power since 1951. I practise what I preach.

So I've gone for Conservatives >360 seats. 20 of the queens finest. Charity of your choice or mine.

RE: How will Manchester affect the general election?

Neil Wheadon — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 22:51:08 GMT

[quote user="David Mills"]Anyome fancy a vetsurgeon wager for charity?[/quote]

Careful folks, he's a soothsayer (and a good sport if you take him on)

Neil