Ovarid discontinued

RE: Ovarid discontinued

Martin Atkinson — Fri, 26 May 2017 14:45:49 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]looking at the evidence of the many cats on high Ovarid for long periods with no flea allergy and therefore no irritation there is some humane merit in the extreme medication. Iatrogenic diabetes wasn't inevitable and owners are far more receptive to flea control when the animal is comfortable.[/quote]I'm not going to even discuss this your know my experience and views. Perhaps we ought to change dinovet to ostrichvet.

RE: Ovarid discontinued

Anthony Todd — Fri, 26 May 2017 14:42:48 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]I was tempted to post a 'very angry' emoji but that may give the impression I'm saying this lightheartedly but quite honestly if you think this is good practice you are not fit to practise. [/quote]

While this could easily be condemned as above, looking at the evidence of the many cats on high Ovarid for long periods with no flea allergy and therefore no irritation there is some humane merit in the extreme medication. Iatrogenic diabetes wasn't inevitable and owners are far more receptive to flea control when the animal is comfortable.

Back in the days of ineffective pyrethrums and, usually, equally ineffective owners, adequate flea control was almost impossible so Ovarid could be considered humane as compared to severe FAD.

Fortunately modern insecticides with dogmatic repeated advice are so much better these days.

RE: Ovarid discontinued

Martin Atkinson — Fri, 26 May 2017 14:23:38 GMT

[quote user="Beats"]

ovarid was cheaper than flea control, particularly where 10 cats in house with only one suffering from flea-allergy dermatitis.

dex can be used similarly if that is what is being looked for.

cats with a bad flea allergy where fleas are not being controlled need more than one pred every 5 days. Might get away with one dex every 3-7 days though.

Steroids are cheaper than flea-control in many situations and have a huge safety margin in cats with very few adverse effects.

[/quote]I really do not believe I'm reading this. Even the worst dinovet would not condone this as a recommended protocol. Worst case scenario to get a neglected FAD situation under control maybe but to use it as the method of control is totally unethical. I am totally gobsmacked.

I was tempted to post a 'very angry' emoji but that may give the impression I'm saying this lightheartedly but quite honestly if you think this is good practice you are not fit to practise. Please tell me you are taking the piss.

RE: Ovarid discontinued

Anthony Todd — Fri, 26 May 2017 14:18:55 GMT

[quote user="Beats"]Steroids are cheaper than flea-control in many situations and have a huge safety margin in cats with very few adverse effects.[/quote]

Jeepers, if I'd posted that the 'it that would have befallen me could not have been quantified, but I agree, used when needed, and as needed, they are.

RE: Ovarid discontinued

Lindsey Edwards — Fri, 26 May 2017 13:08:57 GMT

Not a product I use but enquire about Canipil - available on cascade license if badly stuck?

RE: Ovarid discontinued

Sarah Keir — Fri, 26 May 2017 12:16:35 GMT

But is that ethical? Something that needs to be discussed.

RE: Ovarid discontinued

Beats — Fri, 26 May 2017 10:53:57 GMT

ovarid was cheaper than flea control, particularly where 10 cats in house with only one suffering from flea-allergy dermatitis.

dex can be used similarly if that is what is being looked for.

cats with a bad flea allergy where fleas are not being controlled need more than one pred every 5 days. Might get away with one dex every 3-7 days though.

Steroids are cheaper than flea-control in many situations and have a huge safety margin in cats with very few adverse effects.

RE: Ovarid discontinued

Anthony Todd — Fri, 26 May 2017 09:15:14 GMT

[quote user="Beats"]

Depomedrone inj's

Orally: dexamethasone maybe lasts bit longer than pred so twice weekly dosing more likely to be successful for cats otherwise needing daily pred - 0.5mg tablet twice weekly or 0.1-0.2ml of 4mg/ml oral solution twice weekly.

Flea treatment

[/quote]

Sorry for turbo posting but this is why steroids get a bad name!

Depomed lasts far too long for simple flea allergy with concurrent flea control and a course of pred, usually at inadequate doses, is unnecessary.

Once again a single highish dose of pred or any other short-acting steroid will give 5 days control in a managed case ie with good flea treatment given religiously regularly.

Of course depomed is the treatment of choice in a large pyotraumatic area ["moist eczema"]

Repeat, as and only, when necessary, as decent flea control works well very quickly.

This post should get 5 diamond stars as it is all you need to know about flea control and associated skin reaction.

But it'll get just one or none!!

RE: Ovarid discontinued

Martin Atkinson — Fri, 26 May 2017 09:01:23 GMT

[quote user="Beats"]Flea treatment[/quote]Well hallelujah, we've hit the nail on the head but perhaps add the word 'effective'! Too many people are still using pet shop crap and God only knows why some vets still sell Fipronil products for fleas.

RE: Ovarid discontinued

Beats — Thu, 25 May 2017 20:30:06 GMT

[quote user="Martin McDowell"]Has anyone have any advice on alternatives besides the obvious other skin treatment like Cortavance, Atopica, preds etc?[/quote]

Further alternatives for pruritic cats:

Depomedrone inj's

Flea treatment

RE: Ovarid discontinued

Anthony Todd — Wed, 24 May 2017 21:36:21 GMT

I think I only saw and one in a breeding queen.

But then I never abused any steroid.

RE: Ovarid discontinued

Neil Wheadon — Wed, 24 May 2017 21:21:37 GMT

Anecdotally, I see far fewer feline mammary tumours now than 20 years ago

Neil

RE: Ovarid discontinued

Anthony Todd — Wed, 24 May 2017 19:21:55 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

Hooray, at least the dinovets won't be able to give any more cats with FAD mammary tumours and diabetes now.

[/quote]

Total and complete baloney and I know the drug better than most, if not all, on here!

But it's almost like religious persecution [today isn't the day, I realise]

RE: Ovarid discontinued

Martin McDowell — Wed, 24 May 2017 18:10:56 GMT

[quote user="robloxley"]

there was a thread on here a while back https://www.vetsurgeon.org/uk/small_animal/f/162/t/25541.aspx

[/quote]

I was looking for it initially but all I found was a previous time when it was discontinued. But then came back on the market

Thanks for the link, much appreciated

RE: Ovarid discontinued

Martin Atkinson — Wed, 24 May 2017 16:42:19 GMT

Hooray, at least the dinovets won't be able to give any more cats with FAD mammary tumours and diabetes now.

RE: Ovarid discontinued

Rob Loxley — Wed, 24 May 2017 16:40:18 GMT

there was a thread on here a while back https://www.vetsurgeon.org/uk/small_animal/f/162/t/25541.aspx