Pseudocoprostasis

RE: Pseudocoprostasis

Suzanne Kelly — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 22:35:40 GMT

Hi from what you've described I'd be very suspicious that the cat has chronic pain issues, likely spinal pain. It can be very difficult to diagnose in a very aggressive patient, but it might be worth a trial on analgesics and see does that help? Some of these cats are so painful that even lightly stroking them causes severe pain. A lot of obese cats are painful. Has it had any radiographs taken? Have the anal glands been checked? Good luck it sounds like a difficult case with difficult owners, always fun!

Suzanne

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Rob Loxley — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 19:36:38 GMT

[quote user="Clive Ansell"]offered PTS on welfare grounds[/quote]

[quote user="Clive Ansell"]what a miserable and painful existence it must have[/quote]

Is a phone call to the RSPCA is the next step?

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Clive Ansell — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 19:29:13 GMT

[quote user="robloxley"]At what point do the owners need firmly reminding of their obligations under the Animal Welfare Act regarding their animal's diet, need to be able to exhibit normal [=grooming] behaviour, and its need to be protected from pain, suffering, injury and disease?[/quote]

Tried that, and offered PTS on welfare grounds in the same consult. went down like a Nun's knickers, and they now refuse to see me, guess they are no longer in my fan club.

Seriously; horrible as the cat is, I feel sorry for it, what a miserable and painful existence it must have. Conventional and homeopathic treatments have so far done nothing for it, and I feel without some form of radical weight loss they never will.

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Clive Ansell — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 19:22:12 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Dennison"]If the owners want 'everything doing', why not suggest boarding the cat long term and start on RC Satiety or Hills Metabolic food, and after a couple of weeks of being on a strict diet and nothing else show the owner the weight loss? [/quote]

it's the type of owners wanting everything possible done, as long as it involves minimal effort, no compliance, and can be fixed in one 10 minute consult, oh and almost forgot - at minimal cost.

Weight loss diets have been suggested at many of the practices it has attended, but it just keeps getting fatter and fatter.

Hospitalisation would be difficult or even impossible, it is that aggressive.

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Rob Loxley — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 17:55:08 GMT

At what point do the owners need firmly reminding of their obligations under the Animal Welfare Act regarding their animal's diet, need to be able to exhibit normal [=grooming] behaviour, and its need to be protected from pain, suffering, injury and disease?

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Bob Russell — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 17:41:19 GMT

Yup! Can become as solid as concrete and very sore underneath.

I would push the satiety type diets for their intestinal benefits rather than weight control. Owners need to be warned that adding other foods including treats will make them much less effective.

Some owners really don't want to deal with the weight issue but will happily accept the 'better poo' story!

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Lucy Fleming — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 15:06:07 GMT

I don't want to google it, but I assume it is when fat hairy dogs and cats plug themselves up with faeces stuck to their hair. Kind of an external constipation.

RE: Pseudocoprostasis

Robin Grimmer — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 15:04:34 GMT

What is pseudocoprostasis?

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Anthony Dennison — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 14:59:59 GMT

If the owners want 'everything doing', why not suggest boarding the cat long term and start on RC Satiety or Hills Metabolic food, and after a couple of weeks of being on a strict diet and nothing else show the owner the weight loss?

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Lucy Fleming — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 14:19:19 GMT

Where's Anthony Todd to suggest a trial of thyroxine when you need him?

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Niall Taylor — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 12:32:24 GMT

[quote user="Clive Ansell"]The owner is convinced all of the cats ills, including obesity, are due to Hypothyroidism...[/quote]

What would they do even if you did diagnose hypothyroidism - they're clearly not going to be able to tablet it.

Niall

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Thomas Johnson — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 12:22:11 GMT

[quote user="Clive Ansell"]

[quote user="Marie Kubiak"]

[quote user="Clive Ansell"]It has been prescribed some sort of remedy, something like Dragon sweat diluted 1 in 10 million, I drop in the left ear every leap year - or some such nonsense.

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You say nonsense but the cat's bloods show that it has worked perfectly

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Doesn't seem to be working for the weight loss though, should the dose be increased I wonder?

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Surely to increase the effect the dose should be decreased

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Clive Ansell — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 12:10:39 GMT

[quote user="Marie Kubiak"]

[quote user="Clive Ansell"]It has been prescribed some sort of remedy, something like Dragon sweat diluted 1 in 10 million, I drop in the left ear every leap year - or some such nonsense.

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You say nonsense but the cat's bloods show that it has worked perfectly

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Doesn't seem to be working for the weight loss though, should the dose be increased I wonder?

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Marie Kubiak — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 12:04:25 GMT

[quote user="Clive Ansell"]It has been prescribed some sort of remedy, something like Dragon sweat diluted 1 in 10 million, I drop in the left ear every leap year - or some such nonsense.

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You say nonsense but the cat's bloods show that it has worked perfectly

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Clive Ansell — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 11:09:32 GMT

[quote user="Iain Richards"]Oh, and if there is proof that the vet said hypo, report for malpractice.....[/quote]

No proof, all hearsay. The owner is convinced all of the cats ills, including obesity, are due to Hypothyroidism despite repeated laboratory work to the contrary. According to the owner, the homeopathic vets has said the cat "could be hypothyroid", but is very vague and non committal. It has been prescribed some sort of remedy, something like Dragon sweat diluted 1 in 10 million, I drop in the left ear every leap year - or some such nonsense.

RE: Pseudocoprostasis

Iain Richards — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 17:27:29 GMT

Make an outdoor run with no insulated shelter.

Put any food at the end of a conveyor belt so it takes the cat 30 minutes to track it's food down.

Oh, and if there is proof that the vet said hypo, report for malpractice.....

RE: Pseudocoprostasis

Rob Loxley — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 13:43:26 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]Homoeopathic food is going to be too strong in this case. Far too risky IMO.[/quote]

I do find the homeopathic diets work better the more you dilute them down, however!

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Bob Russell — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 11:28:19 GMT

Homoeopathic food is going to be too strong in this case. Far too risky IMO.

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Niall Taylor — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 11:14:53 GMT

There is nothing that can be done here other than what the previous vets have done - GA, groom and attend when it gets bad enough to warrant it. If the owners can't groom or bathe it and if they can't/won't get it to lose weight there is no magic fix and they are unreasonable if that is what they are insisting on.

Presumably the homeopath would have used a CAVM-type diagnostic technique like the vega-test machines, e-lybra etc or possibly radionics or applied kinesiology (I'd be interested to know which, if you have that information). Needless to say none of them work and if your bloods say T4 is normal I'd be going with that, particularly since hypothyroidism is so incredibly rare in cats.

You could try giving it homeopathic food, diluted and potentised to the point where feeding it miraculously causes weight loss

Niall

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Bob Russell — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 11:10:46 GMT

I understand that the satiety/weight loss foods produce a very 'good' stool that is less likely to stick to the backside!!

Any weight loss would be purely incidental!