Night time restlessness and agitation

RE: Night time restlessness and agitation

grumpyoldman — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 22:28:47 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]grumpyoldman. You're most politically incorrect. Tut tut tut![/quote]

I know and your right ,occasionally moaning old bags do actually have a point ,its just the nightmare of ploughing through all the irrelevant piffle to get to it. The truth is I switch off after about 45 seconds and look at the dog/cat. Happily most of the time I am in theatre avoiding them.

RE: Night time restlessness and agitation

Lucy Fleming — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:48:41 GMT

[quote user="Kate Richardson"]nb edited so as not to claim Lucy Fleming 's words as my own![/quote]

They're hardly my own :-) basically pinched from Sarah Caney and Danielle Gunn-Moore!

RE: Night time restlessness and agitation

Luca Poddighe — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:00:58 GMT

[quote user="Rob Davis"]Ditto. I post comments far less frequently than many, but prefer only to post if I feel I have something of value to add. Often my thoughts have already been suggested by somebody else. It would be interesting to know how many people read each thread without commenting.[/quote]

We are getting off topic but I know of fact that can be done, if Arlo wants to ask the IT people I'm sure they can do it.

RE: Night time restlessness and agitation

Rob Davis — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:35:04 GMT

[quote user="Luca Poddighe"]

[quote user="Aine Seavers"]The list counts thousands of members, only a tiny fraction seem to be on line any day and of those only a core of about 20ish actually reply to any question. Why is that? What scares the 99% of the list to not reply and share?[/quote]

I suspect a lot just get there later and what they would say it is already been said. It has happened to me at least. And some may like to get some hint for their cases without really having anything to say.

[/quote]

Ditto. I post comments far less frequently than many, but prefer only to post if I feel I have something of value to add. Often my thoughts have already been suggested by somebody else. It would be interesting to know how many people read each thread without commenting.

RE: Night time restlessness and agitation

Luca Poddighe — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:15:23 GMT

RE: Night time restlessness and agitation

Gillian Mostyn — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:59:31 GMT

I think approx 13 different people have replied to this question alone- I suspect a lot more than 20 people are actively answering questions!

RE: Night time restlessness and agitation

Aine Seavers — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 11:02:29 GMT

Agree with Kate, urinary exams often overlooked but can explain so much.Would suspect CDDD in this case if all else clear after the work up.

Inderal/propanolol works wonderfully at 1mg/kg bid-have used it for 30years in these cases and vets from many countries have given feedback of how effective this drug in these cases is-works for about 18mths and then you have to increase the dose. 2 years in then need to move to more expensive targetted vet med drugs for this disorder.

Not quite sure why Tony's comment getting removed when much worse has been on this forum.Shall I give myself a one star now in advance to save the 4 amigos from grimly scoring me?

The list counts thousands of members, only a tiny fraction seem to be on line any day and of those only a core of about 20ish actually reply to any question. Why is that? What scares the 99% of the list to not reply and share?

I am on several other much smaller total member lists but none have such a tiny fraction of actual repliers and so many lurkers as this list- I enjoy asking questions as answers from Martin, Kate, Wynne/Tony/Grumpy man/Andrew/Kent/Malcom etc etc really can help but why is only such a tiny fraction of the list feel comfortable enough to regularly post an answer? What makes the rest so wary and vulnerable about posting on this particular forum

RE: Night time restlessness and agitation

Lindsey Edwards — Sat, 12 Nov 2016 19:41:20 GMT

I have seen a case of complete behaviour change in a dog with a UTI n=1 but any 'dementia' diagnosis needs to be one of exclusion after exploring all concurrent signs?

RE: Night time restlessness and agitation

Kate Richardson — Sat, 12 Nov 2016 19:28:49 GMT

[quote user="Lucy Fleming"]There's some thought that E. coli UTI in cats might cause actute onset of dementia type signs (as occurs in people) so perhaps the same might hold true for dogs?[/quote]

Def seen this in cats incl my own

nb edited so as not to claim Lucy Fleming 's words as my own!

RE: Night time restlessness and agitation

Lucy Fleming — Sat, 12 Nov 2016 17:44:17 GMT

I would probably second checking BP and also suggest a urinalysis. There's some thought that E. coli UTI in cats might cause actute onset of dementia type signs (as occurs in people) so perhaps the same might hold true for dogs?

If nothing on either of them I would probably also suggest trying selgian or vivitonin. Assuming no signs of eg OA pain and restlessness due to inability to get comfortable? Usually they're pretty obviously stiff and uncomfortable during the day by then though.

RE: Night time restlessness and agitation

Hannah Wynne Richards — Sat, 12 Nov 2016 08:21:20 GMT

grumpyoldman. You're most politically incorrect. Tut tut tut!

Wynne

RE: Night time restlessness and agitation

Lindsey Edwards — Fri, 11 Nov 2016 21:19:19 GMT

I generally start with vivitonin + nutricalm, but recommend biochem if any pu/pd or other clinical signs of illness

RE: Night time restlessness and agitation

Eilidh Corr — Fri, 11 Nov 2016 20:04:56 GMT

I agree with checking BP but have also had success with melatonin.

My own dog had this problem and it turned out to be sundowner syndrome as seen in human dementia patients. A dose of trazodone at bedtime worked a treat.

RE: Night time restlessness and agitation

grumpyoldman — Fri, 11 Nov 2016 00:24:27 GMT

I had one of these as a 2nd opinion earlier this year, I initially thought the client was just a moaning old bag with a demented old dog, It was wound up and hyperactive no response to metacam ,prozac, ACP activait vivitonin etc ,

big bouncing vessels in its retinas , got a nurse to do its BP and it was 240 , biochem and ACTH stim test positive.

went back to normal on vetoryl and amlodipine. First impressions still get me into trouble sometimes.

RE: Night time restlessness and agitation

Sarah Bolt — Thu, 10 Nov 2016 22:15:37 GMT

[quote user="George Cooper"]

Hi - I've a anxious little 9 year old terrier bitch that is progressively driving her owner demented with her night time change of habits. She becomes agitated wherever she is and cannot settle. The owner has tried various remedies - radio playing, lights left on, Adaptil diffusers, Zylkene, and is reluctant to go down the road of more potent medication like Fluoxetine or amitriptyline. I've not suggested diazepam to her. The bitch has always been on the sensitive side all her life.

I wondered if any list contributors have a favourite way to deal with this type of scenario that you've found to be effective. It may or may not be connected but the owner is about to marry and go off on honeymoon, something that makes me think about a stress related onset with the arrival of her 'intended' into what was her sole domain!

Thanks in advance........

[/quote]

I had a similar dog (many of the same signs and also took to urinating in random places around the house) that we tried all of the things you did for, and eventually plumped for trying vivtonin. Have to say I've always been quite skeptical of vivitonin but it was a last ditch attempt before O decided to PTS and it seemed to work wonders!! Maybe worth a try?

RE: Night time restlessness and agitation

Joyce Whitehead — Thu, 10 Nov 2016 19:31:35 GMT

I've used Selgian in quite a few of these night time dog wanderers and it has worked pretty well in most of them.

RE: Night time restlessness and agitation

Virginia Campbell — Thu, 10 Nov 2016 19:13:21 GMT

I had one once that responded fairly well to melatonin but that was an ancient lab with obvious cognitive dysfunction and a very disturbed sleep pattern before treatment.

RE: Night time restlessness and agitation

niall morton — Thu, 10 Nov 2016 18:59:44 GMT

A Thundershirt might be worth a try

RE: Night time restlessness and agitation

Busybee — Thu, 10 Nov 2016 18:31:41 GMT

We've had a few people who had good results over bonfire night by using Nutracalm. It's not specified for use in cognitive dysfunction but might be worth a try.

Otherwise, I have one that has periods of 'anxiety' for which Selgian works well. And another on Clomicalm. A few do require diazepam though.

RE: Night time restlessness and agitation

George Cooper — Thu, 10 Nov 2016 17:11:57 GMT

[quote user="George Cooper"]

[quote user="Robin Grimmer"]

Sileo.

[/quote]

Sileo?? Huh?

[/quote]

Ah - got it! The "new" anti-noise product....... Could be worth a try, but don't think this is noise-related.

RE: Night time restlessness and agitation

George Cooper — Thu, 10 Nov 2016 17:09:42 GMT

[quote user="Robin Grimmer"]

Sileo.

[/quote]

Sileo?? Huh?

RE: Night time restlessness and agitation

Robin Grimmer — Thu, 10 Nov 2016 17:08:43 GMT

Sileo.

RE: Night time restlessness and agitation

Bob Russell — Thu, 10 Nov 2016 16:45:29 GMT

Assuming there is no evidence of discomfort (OA etc) then a short course of diazepam might be worthwhile to reduce anxiety. I don't use it for prolonged periods!

I have used Clomicalm with surprisingly good results but would use the human generic if it was one of my dogs because they are stupidly expensive for what they are. (Please note I did not really write that bit as it breaks cascade!!).

RE: Night time restlessness and agitation

Liz w — Thu, 10 Nov 2016 15:51:28 GMT

I had one like this that miraculously improved when they moved house. In my case I wondered if there were noises that the dog could hear such as mice under the floor boards or that sort of thing.