The Yorkshire Vet

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 00:14:41 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]

Vets wearing gloves and gowns is no different from judges and barristers wearing gowns, wigs and and that other paraphernalia; no logical reason or scientific reason, but adds to the gravitas of the situation.

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Anthony, please don't start that one again, it's been done to death. You like depositing your adventitious bacteria, epithelial cells, micro-globs of sebum, hairs and other crud into normally sterile parts of your patients' bodies, you get no trouble, fine, carry on.

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Anthony Todd — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:21:31 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]Not quite the same Anthony. Even though I eschew the use of these things there is some logical and scientific thought behind it. But here's the irony. I did a cat spay last week and wore gloves because I had a deep cut on my finger and guess what - yup, that cat got a wound infection, the first for a long time![/quote]

A perfect anecdote. Your technique would have been slightly different; less sensitive tissue handling, stitches possibly a bit tighter, therefore wound irritating more than usual, cat licks wound....

This is why I've been banging on about it! It's technique not infection!

There isn't any "logical" evidence in that all the evidence doesn't support it and the only "scientific thought" is that veterinary surgeons maintain there is.

I wager there have been many times more C/Ss done without gloves etc than there have been with, and with far fewer "infections.

My judicial analogy is sound though; the pet-owning public, in 2016, expects the same standards as they see on "Casualty", and caps, gloves, masks and gowns, like wigs and breeches are de rigeur.

[usual one star placed already]

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Martin Atkinson — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 10:57:26 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]

[/quote]Not quite the same Anthony. Even though I eschew the use of these things there is some logical and scientific thought behind it. But here's the irony. I did a cat spay last week and wore gloves because I had a deep cut on my finger and guess what - yup, that cat got a wound infection, the first for a long time!

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Anthony Todd — Fri, 11 Nov 2016 19:32:28 GMT

error

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Francisco Gomez — Fri, 11 Nov 2016 19:24:05 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]

OK. show me some evidence please, [/quote]

Evidence of what exactly do you want?

a) that some bacteria has the potential to cause septicaemia if it arrives to the bloodstream of an animal?

b) that some bacteria can cause localised infection if it arrives to an animal's surgical wound?

c) that sterile gloves has less bacteria than washed hands?

Or are you the type of people who judge evidence on statistics? Because I'm very good at statistics and I can tell you that 100% of my perineal hernial repairs have done fine, making me better than most specialists in the area. (I've done 2)

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Anthony Todd — Fri, 11 Nov 2016 19:13:11 GMT

error

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Francisco Gomez — Fri, 11 Nov 2016 18:58:16 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]

adds to the gravitas of the situation.

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Yeah man, it's just like giving injections. A simple pray might just do.

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Anthony Todd — Fri, 11 Nov 2016 18:27:31 GMT

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Jim Hopkins — Thu, 10 Nov 2016 22:14:52 GMT

My only traffic jam on the school run is tractors or sheep! Roads are much quieter than most of England!

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rhmrcvs — Mon, 07 Nov 2016 22:03:15 GMT

I did the vast majority of my seeing practice in very West Wales in a fab mixed practice. None of my jobs ever lived up to it , maybe the rose tinted specs of the student ?! Occasionally try and persuade our kids to move down ( we have family there so always back and forth ) for an easier going pace of life. Kids won't leave school so would have to board which then cancels out the benefits ! one day though .....

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Jim Hopkins — Mon, 07 Nov 2016 21:35:29 GMT

Come to West Wales we have just the same variety of cases. We also have a vacancy for a vet! In areas with less population density the only way Veterinary practice is viable is the traditional mixed practice!

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Gillian Mostyn — Mon, 07 Nov 2016 15:31:25 GMT

[quote user="Tim Browning"]I don't watch any of these programs and rely on staff summarising them for me. I suffer from high blood pressure. There always seems to be some thing that annoys me.[/quote]

When any vet programmes start the kids immediately switch channels - they know I always end up shouting at the TV. It is rarely about the vets themselves- more usually about the editing and naff, sentimental voiceovers!

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Tim Browning — Mon, 07 Nov 2016 10:44:12 GMT

I don't watch any of these programs and rely on staff summarising them for me. I suffer from high blood pressure. There always seems to be some thing that annoys me.

No discussion of welfare issues around cases e.g. breed related problems
Overtreatment
Undertreatment
Personality issues - Usually egotistical overload
The vet is much nicer than me, more competent, rich and very happy and everyone loves them !

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Dagmar Steele — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 14:45:00 GMT

I certainly don't qualify as the PC brigade. My hygienic standards are by far not what they would consider ok (I wear gloves, but no special gown and mask for example). My point is: I wouldn't let the TV people film me like that. But then, I wouldn't be as likable as they are and the TV people wouldn't want to film me anyway, as my life is a lot less exciting (aka boring).

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Martin Atkinson — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 14:21:45 GMT

Bob and Richard the PC brigade will be after you next.

I did a clinical coach course in the summer as I'm the only one in the practice who qualifies to do it. One of the tasks we were set was to demonstrate closed gloving. I said I couldn't because I've never done it my life and I never get wound infections. One young whippersnapper of a nurse said, 'you've just been lucky then'. I gave the classical Gary Player response, 'Yes, and the more I practice the luckier I get'

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Richard Carter — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 13:39:44 GMT

and just because the medics with 50 billion behind them do the whole gowns, gloves, masks etc and still can't get it right with post op complications at a level most vets would be out of business also shows how 'ticking the boxes' is a complete failure instead of critical preparation and cleanliness before, during and after the op

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Bob Russell — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 11:46:47 GMT

Dogs and cats have had fractures successfully repaired for decades without gowns, masks and yes, even without gloves.

This is a discussion we keep coming back to but results speak for themselves. If they had a series of post op infections you can pretty much guarantee they would change their ways!

One of the best orthopaedic surgeons in general practice I have ever worked with did not wear gloves but did gown to prevent his clothes getting 'dirty'.

'Best' practice does not automatically mean others are not doing a good job! I do gown and glove!

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Dagmar Steele — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 11:32:00 GMT

[quote user="Tim Browning"]

One of my nurses has just said she saw a program Vet On the Hill last night with the vet doing a pelvic plating without gloves or gown in a prep area. Is this true?

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Yes. They seem so caring and genuinely nice, and they seem to really enjoy what they do. Nonetheless he did the pelvic plating without gown, mask, hat, and yes, even without gloves. The result looked good so far. I'm still concerned about the huge gap of what I think is considered GVP and what is shown to the public. But maybe the public won't realize, as their likability factor is huge!!

EDIT: It was the yorkshire vet program, not the vet on the hill!

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Tim Browning — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 11:11:34 GMT

One of my nurses has just said she saw a program Vet On the Hill last night with the vet doing a pelvic plating without gloves or gown in a prep area. Is this true?

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Julian Earl — Tue, 01 Nov 2016 16:41:06 GMT

[quote user="rhmrcvs"]

Have just finished watching another episode. I absolutely envy the variety of their work , from alpaca, to racing pigeons with orthopaedics and an imha in between. They are " proper vets ". Good old fashioned nurses , getting on with their jobs.

If Yorkshire wasn't so cold we'd be selling up and asking for a job ........

[/quote]What do you mean?It is always blue skies in Yorkshire!I know, I grew up there!Honest it is!

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Anthony Todd — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 10:47:25 GMT

[quote user="Dagmar Steele"]what the TV people did[/quote]

The profession were very lucky!

With malicious editing and a different attitude they could have got a "talking veterinary head" in a successful shirt to do a hatchet job on him and the profession.

Editing is a lethal tool, as other vet programs have shown.....

After all Our Lord said "hang all the laws and the prophets"......

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Anthony Todd — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 10:39:52 GMT

[quote user="rhmrcvs"]recovering animals on the floor ( I think supervet does that aswell) [/quote]

Uncle Clive did that, back in the day, and directly around him as he continued to operate, as, logically, he said it meant he looked at the recovering animals every time he moved.

Of course none of us has ever "found" a recovering" animal not doing very well, or worse, back in a cage, on a busy day.....

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rhmrcvs — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 09:54:00 GMT

Haha , was waiting for the expected ....

In actual fact I'm not a Dino vet , my practice would be described as "high end" I suppose , top quality kit and we know how to use it etc etc etc.

What I envy is the full range of work these guys carry out with great results , I didn't say I agree with every tiny aspect we've seen eg recovering animals on the floor ( I think supervet does that aswell) , short sleeve gowns in theatre ( seen lots of that on practice websites with apparently no embarrassment , no iv fluids etc etc ) but these guys obviously are respected by their staff and clients , they still undertake their 24 hour care. they also enjoy their work / life , they're not on here whining . maybe if more vets had a job like that instead of hours of consults , analysis glands then referring anything slightly different job satisfaction would be better.

We don't see it all , editing changes lots but the job that we see is what attracted me to veterinary medicine and not human medicine.

We make our own standards in our practices , ours are very high but I still envy what I've seen.

They come across as decent , caring nice blokes ......

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Martin Atkinson — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 09:01:49 GMT

[quote user="rhmrcvs"] They are " proper vets ". Good old fashioned nurses , getting on with their jobs. [/quote]Again, I have not watched any of this series but reading between the lines your 'proper vets' are another man's dinovets and 'getting one with their jobs' may mean, being diplomatic, missing some of the finer points which make the difference between just keeping the client happy to make a living and excellence.

Whether or not it is Yorkshire and there is a variety of work which gives an enjoyable workload is irrelevant to the original argument.

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rhmrcvs — Tue, 25 Oct 2016 22:06:34 GMT

If Yorkshire wasn't so cold we'd be selling up and asking for a job ........