Lower back pain

RE: Lower back pain

Iain Richards — Mon, 08 Aug 2016 18:39:49 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]

Granny Weatherwax style.

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Headology plus a bit of Boffo....

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Mon, 08 Aug 2016 18:25:08 GMT

[quote user="Andrew Mellor"] it was so freaky it cold have been witchcraft !![/quote]

Granny Weatherwax style.

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Martin Atkinson — Mon, 08 Aug 2016 09:26:49 GMT

[quote user="Andrew Mellor"].....90% of my problem stems back many years to an injury as a child to my right foot or ankle- had my foot twisted the wrong way playing football as a teenager. from that point I have altered my walk which has thrown everything else out.[/quote]Same as chiropractors always tell you that you've got two vertebrae out of line and one leg shorter than the other no matter what is wrong with you. Its worse than witchcraft its bullshit, I'm surprised you believe it.

RE: Lower back pain

Andrew Mellor — Sat, 06 Aug 2016 15:33:21 GMT

has anyone else tried a KORE therapist, it is a combination of all the complementary therapies so will use Chinese/ Asian/ Indian and western techniques as well as looking at how diet, stress and lifestyle affects us physically. if you have one in your area try them, they are astounding.

No word of a lie, the first time I walked into the KORE centre I was sat in reception, called through to the therapy room no more than 5 metres from where I was sat and the therapist had got 15 areas to work on from watching that 5 m walk. and said 90% of my problem stems back many years to an injury as a child to my right foot or ankle- had my foot twisted the wrong way playing football as a teenager. from that point I have altered my walk which has thrown everything else out.

I swear I was in two minds whether to ever go back again because it was so freaky it cold have been witchcraft !!

RE: Lower back pain

Derek Lyon — Sat, 06 Aug 2016 14:20:00 GMT

I love this thread. I have all the said symptoms described by others. No use taking any pain killers as they do not work...only give you constipation. I have tried everything including pilates and lastly used acupuncture which did help to some extent. Naproxen is no use and Dr also gave me Amitriptoline as it has side of killing nerve pain? Just made me so groggy so no not on anything! Dr would not prescribe me gabapentin nor cortisone. Well I am 73 now so can expect such trouble. Only problem is it interferes with my golf swing!

Bad posture is one of main problems as well as stooping over consulting table for years. Bad driving positions do not help either.

RE: Lower back pain

Dinu Catilina — Fri, 05 Aug 2016 21:16:17 GMT

Deadlifts. We just don't train our lower backs enough. Since I am doing them ( and light weights only, nothing excessive) I never had lower back pain again. I do get a stiff neck on occasions but nothing else.

Wife does them as well, good fun. She can lift 120-130 kg and she's about 20 kg lighter than me.

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Michael Woodhouse — Thu, 04 Aug 2016 01:22:38 GMT

[quote user="Iain Richards"]Oh and learn how to do it with either hand (or use a pole scanner)[/quote]

Although I can rectal with either hand I am so much more proficient using my left - in a similar vein to writing. I always try to enter straight, so the cow is to my left side. I suspect most of us are the same.

Re pole scanners - speak to VDS about rectal tears and pole scanners. You get so much information on position, tone etc from your hand I can't see them being of any use. Could you really orientate so you can see the heartbeat, check for twins etc.

RE: Lower back pain

Hannah Wynne Richards — Tue, 02 Aug 2016 10:34:42 GMT

A bit like the dog that chews its front feet because it can't get at its impacted anal glands!

Wynne

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Martin Atkinson — Tue, 02 Aug 2016 10:05:16 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]I had to read this a few times; and my mind still boggles.....[/quote]Well I guess if you're sticking a pole up your rectum it takes your mind off your painful back! A form of acupuncture I reckon.

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Anthony Todd — Mon, 01 Aug 2016 22:56:52 GMT

[quote user="Iain Richards"]

the trainer came up with a different way of rectalling that didn't werk the shoulder.

Oh and learn how to do it with either hand (or use a pole scanner)

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I had to read this a few times; and my mind still boggles.....

RE: Lower back pain

Iain Richards — Mon, 01 Aug 2016 22:19:33 GMT

[quote user="Seadna "]

PM me please. Although at the minute I get excellent relief from just lying on a hot water bottle for a few hours after popping a few ibuprofen, I'm afraid of the day when this doesn't work.

I'm only 30 :(

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Find a pilates teacher and learn core strength. We ran this as a training session at work, the trainer came up with a different way of rectalling that didn't werk the shoulder.

Oh and learn how to do it with either hand (or use a pole scanner)

RE: Lower back pain

Clive Ansell — Mon, 01 Aug 2016 09:55:57 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"][quote user="Clive Ansell"]Any tips on treatment for a sore sacroiliac joint would be most gratefully received. I've been suffering since January and treatment with the NHS is so far going nowhere fast.[/quote]Its known as old age Clive and cycling long distances in an aerodynamic position isn't helpful (I can't do more than an hour or two before my back starts to play up and I just have to manage it for the rest of the ride) although I believe cycling helps to maintain a strong back and mitigates against additional problems. However in order to improve my core strength I do push-ups, planks and stretching exercises daily and it helps a bit but we can't resist the tide of time.[/quote]

In my case cycling seems the only think that doesn't hurt or aggravate it? 200 Km on Saturday and no aches at all.

I already do core exercises and stretches, as I have a history of hamstring injuries. the worst pain is bed when turning over, it seems rotation of any sort makes it worse. Not responding to physio, so may need to look at diagnosis again.

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Charlotte Marshall — Sun, 31 Jul 2016 23:26:03 GMT

I find deep tissue massage to get the trigger points really helps and I do go to the chiropractor as well. I was sceptical at first but I find it does help. Also of course being careful what you lift and using stretchers where possible to get dogs on and off operating tables.

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Bob Russell — Sat, 30 Jul 2016 10:46:35 GMT

I have one of those torture type ortho/kneeling chairs at work. Took a lot of getting used to and is not the best thing for knees. I have to say I have had almost no problem with my back since.

I went happily to a good physio who gave me sets of stretches, pretty good for a neck problem. I would not let an osteopath anywhere near me! Chiropractor only at a push!

RE: Lower back pain

Anthony Dennison — Sat, 30 Jul 2016 09:20:18 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"][quote user="Anthony Dennison"]I swear by a foam roller.[/quote]I swear by a Swiss ball as a seat to maintain correct posture and subliminally micro-work your core muscles. I don't believe you can cure this problem it is more about managing it by maintaining core strength to maintain good support.[/quote]#

Oh definitely, core strength is a massive part of it. I've had less injuries playing rugby since doing more core work. The foam roller is more for a rehab type thing - if you can't get to an osteopath to crack your back, you can do it on a foam roller. Then sit on a swiss ball to get good posture.

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George Cooper — Sat, 30 Jul 2016 00:08:10 GMT

Learned a huge amount about human back pain as my first wife was registered disabled after breaking her back twice in falls from horses. We spent many years running the full gamut of attempts to deal with the pain, and in the course of that also witnessed many poor individuals who, driven mad by constant pain, had insisted on this operation or that technique. I can't recall many that were successful at all, but the use of what now would be Viacutan did make a noticable difference to the infra climate of the family. Ultimately she lived on some type of morphine sustained action, before deciding that life without a VS might be prefereable!

And now it is my turn. For years (the locals would have it as bending over too many sheep) I've had intermittent severe debility from sudden onset pain (and having been to pain management clinics with the ex, I understand hitting it before it hits you) that I think can be traced to a BSAVA Congress when I hefted a huge bass guitar amp somewhere and felt 'something give'!

First time for 8 years I've been four foot ten, and not six foot two, with the ensuing view of my feet. Lifting was no problem and we did a gig for Nick Blayney's daughter's wedding without problems, provided I remained like a half shut knife studying my feet!

Facet joint arthritis. That's the name. There - I am better already. Tramadol, Dihydrocodeine, para-bloody-cetamol, heat, cold, prostration, activity, - you name it, this back sufferer's done it twice! And it is getting better - after 6 weeks instead of 1.5. At least the churchyard I mow is immaculate ahead of Saturday's huge local wedding.

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Arlo Guthrie — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 19:36:50 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]apart from pharmaceuticals[/quote] Tell you what, I'd kill for some of those right now. My back is excruciating. Shouldn't have carried my daughter this morning. That was dumb, though not as dumb as doing it a second time three hours later!

RE: Lower back pain

Anthony Todd — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 19:14:59 GMT

If you think of all the joints in the "back" or spine let alone the pelvis all of which if "disturbed" can be very painful it's a wonder anyone who does anything apart from lying in bed is not in constant pain.

As far as I am concerned anything that gives instant relief, apart from pharmaceuticals, has merit, what ever the method, logic, rationale or pseudoscience!

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mariette asselbergs — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 18:46:48 GMT

I had chronic, sometimes severe backpains for years between age 25 and 50. Had surgery in my 40s which didn't do much, just made me more stiff. What used to help when i had an acute attack and had to work, was wearing a good supporting corset for a few hours, or days. What eventually got rid of it altogether was exercising, or the equivalent: having to do real physical hard core work like lifting 10-20 kg weights for hours. Now I think the core muscle strength is the essential thing in lower back pain. Haven't had it for maybe 10 years now. So there is hope!

Mariette

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Martin Atkinson — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 18:32:50 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Dennison"]I swear by a foam roller.[/quote]I swear by a Swiss ball as a seat to maintain correct posture and subliminally micro-work your core muscles. I don't believe you can cure this problem it is more about managing it by maintaining core strength to maintain good support.

I also swear by always wearing cushioned soled shoes. I used to jar my back frequently in normal shoes tripping or stepping off a hidden step or kerb where I misjudged the drop which is occasionally inevitable. Now I rarely feel a twinge if I do that. You don't have to wear chav trainers or garish running shoes. Mountain approach or trail running shoes by Merrell or Salomon for example can look like pretty normal leather or suede. Maybe not ideal for wearing at a wedding with a tuxedo perhaps but socially acceptable under most other circumstances!

RE: Lower back pain

Andrew Mellor — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 18:28:37 GMT

another in favour of good examination by a suitably qualified person - I do not count GP's in that bracket, you need a good physio or chiropractor as they will assess whole body, my lumbosacral pain stems from my feet and my neck everything in the middle is fine but hurts like hell on occasions if I forget to put the wedge in my shoe!

RE: Lower back pain

Anthony Dennison — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 17:39:33 GMT

[quote user="Thomas Johnson"]

If you've not seen a medical practitioner don't assume that back pain is due to a back problem. I had severe acute lower back pain after replacing a prolapsed uterus in a cow a few years ago, my GP referred me to a physiotherapist who diagnosed a strained muscle over the medial aspect of my right femur (can't remebre which muscle unfortunately) and gave me stretches for it. The GP had given me pain killers which helped, but I really started to improve once I started doing the stretches.

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+1 for seeing a good physio. They'll give you all these weird and wacky stretches to do after they pummel various muscles, make you cry and charge you for the pleasure. It works.

I swear by a foam roller. You can pick one up for around a tenner, lie on it and slowly roll your back up and down. One of the big things with lower back pain too can be tight hamstrings and glutes, so a good idea to stretch them out too (can use the foam roller for that and all).

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Thomas Johnson — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 17:16:26 GMT

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Timothy Miles — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 16:51:01 GMT

Can also vouch for the need to keep mobile with regular exercises each a.m. after several episode of immobilising spasms over 50 years. Also remember how heavy your upper body is when stooping and the strain it puts on the lumbar spine etc. I recommend using a saddle stool when at the operating table and for intermittent relief when doing long consult sessions.

RE: Lower back pain

Martin Atkinson — Fri, 29 Jul 2016 15:50:39 GMT

[quote user="Seadna "]

PM me please. Although at the minute I get excellent relief from just lying on a hot water bottle for a few hours after popping a few ibuprofen, I'm afraid of the day when this doesn't work.

I'm only 30 :(

[/quote]There's no magic to this it just involves a bit of effort: keep fit and slim, exercise regularly - cycling especially, perform pilates and core exercises: push ups, planks, back curls, leg lifts, arm raises etc, sit on a Swiss ball for an office chair, don't slouch on the settee in front of the TV and think of your posture before lifting heavy weights. Then you won't need NSAIDs and hot water bottles or Anthony's manipulation.