Veterinary homeopathy on Radio 4 Today Programme this morning

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Martin Atkinson — Thu, 14 Jul 2016 17:22:20 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]He was a client of mine and OK way back then.[/quote]Was that when you were here Anthony? There are a lot of celeb clients around this neck of the woods.

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Anthony Todd — Thu, 14 Jul 2016 16:33:43 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"] He's been loathsome ever since.[/quote]

He was a client of mine and OK way back then.

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:33:36 GMT

Noel Edmunds was not a bad DJ on pirate radio, nor on Radio 1 at first. He's been loathsome ever since.

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Malcolm Ness — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:36:06 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"][quote user="Malcolm Ness"]You forgot Noel![/quote]I presume you mean Fitzpatrick rather than Edmunds? [/quote]

You mean there is more than one of them??!!

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Martin Atkinson — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:00:55 GMT

[quote user="Malcolm Ness"]You forgot Noel![/quote]I presume you mean Fitzpatrick rather than Edmunds? I'm not sure how I'd rate him, I fear he has a greater drive to achieve celebrity status than to be just a good vet and you know that I'm not over-impressed with his ability as the latter. But those grapes don't taste too good.

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Francisco Gomez — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 09:27:18 GMT

[quote user="Malcolm Ness"]

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]But would you dismiss Brian Cox, Mary Beard, David Attenborough, Robert Peston.... to name but a few examples just because they are 'frequently on TV'? [/quote]

You forgot Noel!

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I think Martin was referring to people 'frequently on TV', as opposed to people 'too frequently on TV'

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Malcolm Ness — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 09:16:34 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]But would you dismiss Brian Cox, Mary Beard, David Attenborough, Robert Peston.... to name but a few examples just because they are 'frequently on TV'? [/quote]

You forgot Noel!

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Martin Atkinson — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 08:57:25 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]God preserve me from people who are "frequently on TV".[/quote]I mostly agree Evelyn, many insignificant little people have gained celebrity status from TV (mass media in general) being idolised by by the masses whose own sad insignificant world is dominated by virtual reality shows and soap operas to the extent they almost believe that is the real world. Of course this does not apply to everyone. My daughter who has a 2:1 in English and a masters degree in IT, holds a highly paid job as a coder and was named as one of the most influential women in technology Britain in the Sunday Times sits glued to Kim Kardashian et al. I sometimes despair but realise that she needs to escape from the real world occasionally.

But would you dismiss Brian Cox, Mary Beard, David Attenborough, Robert Peston.... to name but a few examples just because they are 'frequently on TV'?

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James Laidlaw — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 22:21:03 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]

God preserve me from people who are "frequently on TV".

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Given the rest of the thread, that's not likely to help you, is it?

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 20:10:40 GMT

God preserve me from people who are "frequently on TV".

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Martin Atkinson — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 18:04:26 GMT

[quote user="J G Wray"]If there are an infinite number of universe this means a very large dilution of Gods amongst these universes, so does that make any God a Homeopathic Deity?[/quote]Nice one JGW, back to the OP.

[quote user="Malcolm Ness"]If infinity is a reality and not just a silly concept then it predicts at least one universe with a God. Why not ours??[/quote]It is only a silly concept to someone who cannot comprehend it. I fail to see how it predicts a God.

[quote user="Phil Hyde"]Infinity predicts all possible universes. As god is not possible - therefore the prediction is that there will be none with a god, not even ours.[/quote]Agreed.

[quote user="Francisco Gomez"]Won't the posibility of god be dependent on god's definition? [/quote]For me at the moment its Chris Froome!

[quote user="Malcolm Ness"]That's the trouble with infinity, there could just as easily be an infinite number of Gods. Is it easier to believe in God than infinity??[/quote]That is why religion exists QED.

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Gillian Mostyn — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 17:27:01 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]but I don't think the non-existance of God has been conclusively proven either.[/quote]

Eh? How could you do that? I don't suppose the non- existance of pink spotted winged unicorns living in the clouds has been conclusively proven either.

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Malcolm Ness — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 17:24:34 GMT

[quote user="J G Wray"]If there are an infinite number of universe this means a very large dilution of Gods [/quote]

That's the trouble with infinity, there could just as easily be an infinite number of Gods. Is it easier to believe in God than infinity??

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Malcolm Ness — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 17:22:20 GMT

[quote user="Phil Hyde"]Infinity predicts all possible universes.[/quote]

If infinity isn't genuinely infinite then it is a sham concept.

Perhaps physics is a religion too!

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Francisco Gomez — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:37:43 GMT

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Infinity predicts all possible universes. As god is not possible - therefore the prediction is that there will be none with a god, not even ours.

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Won't the posibility of god be dependent on god's definition?

For some it might mean the rules of physics being possible. That in itself is nothing far from a miracle and could be what god is.

... and then there is CR7 and Kanye West of course.

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Phil Hyde — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:47:31 GMT

[quote user="Malcolm Ness"]

[quote user="Phil Hyde"]Unfortunately Arlo is wrong. There is religion, simply no God...[/quote]

But science, physics specifically, depends absolutely upon the concept of "infinity" being genuine. If infinity is a reality and not just a silly concept then it predicts at least one universe with a God. Why not ours??

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Infinity predicts all possible universes. As god is not possible - therefore the prediction is that there will be none with a god, not even ours.

Sorry to be a spoil sport, but this is all we've got. Best make the most of it.

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J G Wray — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:28:46 GMT

[quote user="Malcolm Ness"]If infinity is a reality and not just a silly concept then it predicts at least one universe with a God. Why not ours??[/quote]

If there are an infinite number of universe this means a very large dilution of Gods amongst these universes, so does that make any God a Homeopathic Deity?

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Malcolm Ness — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:15:30 GMT

[quote user="Phil Hyde"]Unfortunately Arlo is wrong. There is religion, simply no God...[/quote]

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Phil Hyde — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:15:07 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]Still I won't argue about God v infinity v energy v matter on this thread anymore but am happy to go to a tangent if anyone wants to.[/quote]

Although I am more than happy to discuss the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster on any tangent you wish Martin, I seem to remember that one of Arlo's rules is 'No Religion'

Unfortunately Arlo is wrong. There is religion, simply no God...

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Martin Atkinson — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:36:47 GMT

[quote user="Robin Grimmer"]Surely since Dara O'Briain is so frequently on TV, Evelyn needs to stay in more [/quote]What surprises me is that it took so long for someone to pick up on that. Its just a figure of speech Robin.

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Martin Atkinson — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:35:03 GMT

Sorry about turbo posting but couldn't resist:

[quote user="Phil Hyde"]and if you cannot destroy matter, what happened in Japan at the end of WW2?[/quote]What is matter but energy, we are only just scratching the surface of what makes the tiniest particles which form what we experience as matter. Matter is not destroyed in a nuclear inferno energy just changes its form.

[quote user="Phil Hyde"]Anyway - no more on the non-existence of God - back to the non-existence of the healing powers of homeopathy..[/quote]You have to admit its a more interesting argument though Phil.

Still I won't argue about God v infinity v energy v matter on this thread anymore but am happy to go to a tangent if anyone wants to.

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Robin Grimmer — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:24:32 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

[quote user="Virginia Campbell"]

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]As for "Dara O'Briain", who is he? I think I have heard vaguely of a comedian of that name[/quote]

Yes, he is a comedian and quite a good one. He also has a degree in mathematics and theoretical physics and presents science programmes on television (popular science stuff explaining things by doing physics experiments and a maths programme). He is married to a urological surgeon so I imagine the homeopathy conversation might have arisen at home.

[/quote]Beat me to it Virginia. Evelyn you need to get out more!

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Surely since Dara O'Briain is so frequently on TV, Evelyn needs to stay in more ;)

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Martin Atkinson — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:20:29 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"] my objection to any theory which totally discounts God is Big Bang of what? [/quote]What amazes me is that astro-physicists are only just beginning to question what happened before the big bang and are considering the possibility that it was just the latest in an infinite number of big bangs which occurred before it. This has always seemed to me to be the only plausible explanation: that the stuff that makes the universe has always existed and always will - as you say Wynne, it can't be created or destroyed. It will eventually all contract down again, another big bang will happen, another universe will be created and so ad infinitum. Indeed there are almost certainly an infinite number of universes where this also happening.

If you wanted to you could say the universe is God and God is the universe, one and the same. It is just difficult for the feeble human mind to contemplate infinity because everything we experience is finite. Personally I think infinity is more plausible than divine intervention.

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Phil Hyde — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:45:30 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]1st fish then birds, then mammals[/quote]

Um - mammals came before birds. Oh dear, not identical after all. You may now stop being curious...

and if you cannot destroy matter, what happened in Japan at the end of WW2?

Anyway - no more on the non-existence of God - back to the non-existence of the healing powers of homeopathy...

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:14:42 GMT

Whilst 6 days (remember God rested on the 7th) is obviously ludicrous, my objection to any theory which totally discounts God is Big Bang of what? Any scientifically valid theory has to take into consideration the law "Matter cannot be created nor destroyed"

Incidentally, I find it curious that the order of creation in Genesis - 1st fish then birds, then mammals is identical to the proven order of evolution

The 6 days of Genesis is a gross over-simplification, but I don't think the non-existance of God has been conclusively proven either.

Wynne