Whither the leadership post referendum?

RE: Whither the leadership post referendum?

Bob Russell — Mon, 04 Jul 2016 13:48:26 GMT

Has anyone noticed that the financial states of the country has not plummeted? What has happened is the markets have responded to a degree of uncertainty.

Any or all of this may well have happened anyway.

Osbourne is starting the first shot across the bows of the EU boat. Lower Corporation Tax to attract and retain businesses to the UK. Leaving the EU allows us to set the rules and the EU leaders to respond.

They are the ones with the weakest and unbalanced economies and their defensive/aggressive attitude is triggered by weakness, not strength.

If they are sensible there will be a lot of cooperation and a fair deal will result. At the moment most of the behaviour is posturing. We don't have political figures around to stick figurative two fingers back at them (other than Farage) but we soon will!

RE: Whither the leadership post referendum?

Gillian Mostyn — Fri, 01 Jul 2016 18:43:35 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"](Probably the worst lier of the whole Brexit campaign was George Osborn................whose doom and gloom forecasts have been proven inaccurate by the performance of the stock market)[/quote]

Lets put this one to bed Wynne. The Bank of England has not, and cannot, just sit back, watch the financial status of this country plummet, and say 'we told you so'. They are working very hard to stabilise this country's financial status but, make no mistake, there was a massive negative impact due to brexit. The stock market has since improved - but only because of quantitative easing and Mr Carney's continued reassurance and hints at further QE and interest rate cuts in the summer. (The FTSE 100 improves immediately after his speeches.)

In time our economy will recover - and hopefully thrive - but please don't forget that there are a lot of people working very hard to regain some economic stability in very difficult circumstances - and it IS costing us all money. It is likely it will cost us more than we were paying to the EU in the first place.

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]and may be advantageous in order to allow the disappointed Remainers to recover their mental equilibrium[/quote]

what a ridiculous statement.

RE: Whither the leadership post referendum?

Francisco Gomez — Fri, 01 Jul 2016 18:35:30 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]

Francisco

If you mean manufacturing spurious reasons to re-run a referendum (endlessly) [/quote]

Wynne, I didn't mention the referendum. I would only contemplate a re-run of a referendum if the people who won it deceived the people who voted.

I guess if you are mentioning it, you think people might have been deceived?

RE: Whither the leadership post referendum?

Hannah Wynne Richards — Fri, 01 Jul 2016 17:36:45 GMT

Francisco If you mean re-running an election when there's evidence (which would stand up in a criminal court) that the 1st election had been sufficiently fraudulent to affect the result, then yes.

If you mean manufacturing spurious reasons to re-run a referendum (endlessly) until the "chattering classes" get the result THEY want.................then a thousand times NO

Wynne

(Probably the worst lier of the whole Brexit campaign was George Osborn................whose doom and gloom forecasts have been proven inaccurate by the performance of the stock market)

Jonathan Brexit will take 2 years to finalise........starting from when the EU is given formal notice. A few weeks is neither here nor there..............and may be advantageous in order to allow the disappointed Remainers to recover their mental equilibrium

RE: Whither the leadership post referendum?

Francisco Gomez — Fri, 01 Jul 2016 16:39:42 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]

Why won't people just accept a result is a result?

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There had been reported irregularities in a few thousand votes. People shouldn't be scared of re-running it. If both parties have been truthful in their promises and have not backed down of what they promised in the following days after the initial results, the second run shouldn't be affected.

It'd be different of course, if the party who won, completely backtracked in all the promises they used in their campaign. But that shouldn't happen in developed and educated countries.

RE: Whither the leadership post referendum?

J G Wray — Fri, 01 Jul 2016 16:36:19 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"] Why won't people just accept a result is a result?[/quote]

I've accepted the result. I'm just curious about what next, and who's going to lead it, aren't you?

RE: Whither the leadership post referendum?

Hannah Wynne Richards — Fri, 01 Jul 2016 15:53:58 GMT

Things are even more chaotic in Austria...............they're going to re-run the presidential election!

Why won't people just accept a result is a result?

Wynne

RE: Whither the leadership post referendum?

Francisco Gomez — Fri, 01 Jul 2016 14:28:34 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]

A public figure has to have a public presence. [/quote]

Well, in that case I'd say she has a lot more of public presence. But that's of course a subjective observation.

RE: Whither the leadership post referendum?

Bob Russell — Fri, 01 Jul 2016 13:32:48 GMT

A public figure has to have a public presence. Hers is neither particularly interesting not is she photogenic. Perhaps replace both with the term charismatic!

Age is irrelevant when it comes to being interesting or photogenic. It is nothing to do with being 'attractive', bisexual or not!

Maggie became a lot more interesting and photogenic as she developed as a public figure. She communicated better and smartened up over time just as all politicians seem to do!

RE: Whither the leadership post referendum?

Francisco Gomez — Fri, 01 Jul 2016 13:24:18 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]

not particularly interesting or photogenic

[/quote]

FFS Bob, she's 10 years older than Gove. If you were bisexual, which one would you marry?

RE: Whither the leadership post referendum?

Bob Russell — Fri, 01 Jul 2016 11:58:22 GMT

Ms May was always the sensible choice. In a way I am glad I don't have to decide between Boris and her!

A very competent organiser and manages to get things done without quite the level of putting peoples backs up that Boris and Gove have.

Having seen (and not particularly liked) the things she has done in the Home Office, I have to admit a degree of respect for her. Not showy, not particularly interesting or photogenic but a sound organiser. She has insisted on seeing pretty much everything being done on her behalf at the Home Office.

Might just turn out to be one of the great leaders if given the chance.

RE: Whither the leadership post referendum?

Richard Carter — Fri, 01 Jul 2016 09:59:43 GMT

time for Oliver Cromwell type to step in and sweep out the useless, the self seeking and reform the whole thing so that the Party is not more important then the country.

Behaviour that wouldn't be tolerated in a school let alone a serious business.

Time for a small federal government preferably in coalition without party alignment for national defence, foreign affairs and federal law, a proportional representation as the second house, regional governments who then control health, education, infrastructure, local law, business, regional development.

Would cut down what each need to concentrate on and remove this ridiculous ping-pong of the NHS/ education every time someone else steps up to the plate.

RE: Whither the leadership post referendum?

Neil Wheadon — Fri, 01 Jul 2016 09:19:39 GMT

My slant this morning, is can we have too much democracy?

Both labour and the conservatives let their membership decide and this week 60000 people have signed up to the labour party so will decide, look what happened last time.....nice chap but can't lead.

What we need is good leaders and only those really close can judge this.

Yes elect our MP's and leaders but let them make the decision and install some trust.

Maybe the low RCVS turnout is a good thing?

Neil