UK leaves the EU

RE: UK leaves the EU

Francisco Gomez — Fri, 15 Jul 2016 14:51:10 GMT

The two above responses confirm what I fear - nobody knows. And it is likely we will not know for quite some time now. I don't need the NHS, or social housing, or benefits or access to a pension. I don't need any of that NOW but I've been paying for it. I'm well established here and I don't think I will have any problems, but for many, these are questions where they have to put their life on hold until these things are resolved.

RE: UK leaves the EU

Bob Russell — Fri, 15 Jul 2016 13:44:28 GMT

Non-EU visa holders are subject to a £500 NHS surcharge to cover a 2½-3 year period. It is a contribution that is not dependent on age or health status. In effect once this is paid the visa holder gets treated exactly the same as a UK resident. Australia requires a medical certificate and will reject visa applications where it is considered the applicant will be an excessive burden on the system. The UK has no such requirement.

Clearly it is on the cards that reciprocal deals will be reached so EU nationals are likely to be treated differently.

As for EU nationals being concerned about being sent home, there are plenty that are genuinely worried this may be the case! Southampton has a massive Polish population!

RE: UK leaves the EU

Richard Carter — Fri, 15 Jul 2016 13:06:23 GMT

you WANT access to the NHS???? I would be quietly getting on a plane and going to a country that has a working system!

even in the bad days preEU, NHS treated everyone that needed treatment. The problem (for the NHS) started with health tourists who would arrive from a country that couldn't/ wouldn't supply retrovirals for HIV/AIDS or the serious antibiotics for TB. I am sure reciprocal agreements will be reached - these do not need EU approval.

Don't know if the NHS could afford all those UK people retired to Costa del Sol to come back

RE: UK leaves the EU

Francisco Gomez — Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:35:27 GMT

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It staggers me how ill informed many EU citizens are! Anyone with British family has zero chance of being forced to move. Those resident for 5 or more years are entitled to residence and to apply for naturalisation.

There is close to zero chance of any EU citizens being forced out of the country unless other European countries threaten to do the same thing.

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Bob, other than the small amount of personal abuse on social media, nobody in top politics is suggesting filling planes and ships with EU immigrants to be deported.

But there are other questions that need answering and we want to know. Things that affect future plans.

When I first came to the UK, I was recruited by an UK company. They even opened a bank account for me, gave me small course to help me understand the difference about driving, they made sure I was confident living here.

What will be happening to our access to the NHS? Will we be subject to private medical care? What if any of us has a health condition already diagnosed? (The same goes for UK citizens abroad). What about my pension? Will I be able to validate the years worked in here (as a member of the EU) if I chose to move back to my country of origin? Or are these years wasted and I need to start over again?

Needing or not I visa is probably the least of my problems. And If I do need one, I will probably be asking for my employer to cover the cost anyway.

RE: UK leaves the EU

Bob Russell — Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:39:38 GMT

There is close to zero chance of any EU citizens being forced out of the country unless other European countries threaten to do the same thing.

There seems to be near hysteria developing out of absolutely nothing! We have numerous EU friends and acquaintances and they really do seem to have got their knickers in a twist.

Why on earth would the UK upset the apple cart?

Any impact of changes in immigration policies might affect those tempted to move to the UK in the future and possibly limit benefits and housing access.

I believe the UK will end up as a base for many companies to trade with Europe. It can be made a far more business friendly environment than the French style control freaks in the EU.

Moving to Scotland seems a bit premature as is the idea of applying for a Scottish passport. This is my younger sons latest bright idea!

I suspect Scotland will see itself much better off as part of the UK than a basket case economy reliant on EU money.

There will be a lot of angry talk from France, worried talk from Eastern European countries and sense from Germany.

Next year the EU sceptics may be in charge of quite a chunk of the EU and life may change significantly!

RE: UK leaves the EU

Richard Carter — Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:16:38 GMT

nobody is going anywhere - we will still get EU graduates coming over, the NHS will still depend on pinching everyone else's qualified medical staff, we will do away with our MEPs and save a small fortune to replace them with 'trade negotiators' at a small fortune and we will still comply with every EU regulation if the product is going to be sold in the EU.

What may happen is that USA, Indian, Chinese and South American industries who want a trading base near Europe may look to invest here if the promise of less regulation and hoops to jump through comes true

RE: UK leaves the EU

mariette asselbergs — Thu, 14 Jul 2016 16:53:01 GMT

When I read Ms May's speech I thought that for a conservative she had at least nice intentions and distanced herself in clear wording from the bunch of millionairs before her.

I was also reassured that she stated firmly that she wanted a unity of "our citizens" whoever they were and wherever they came from.

Then my native english speaker partner pointed out that I did not belong to "our citizens". Without a British passport you are not a British citizen, merely a resident.

This forebodes no good for my family with only one British [passport.

We'll be moving to Scotland for a start. Then see if the new UK government really will try to force us foreign residents out like Amin did with the Ugandan of Asian extraction.

Mariette

RE: UK leaves the EU

Hannah Wynne Richards — Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:46:27 GMT

But if he thought Boris was backsliding on Brexit, then it was the honourable thing to do.

I hope Zak Goldsmith gets promoted - he'd be perfect for DEFRA, as I have the impression he really cares about both animals and the environment. Admittedly, his concern for the environment is at odds with his reproductive history! Amber Rudd's ex-husband certainly doewsn't care for animals - as well as having insulted my nationality!

Wynne

RE: UK leaves the EU

Bob Russell — Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:45:05 GMT

You are probably in a minority of one there!

Someone who removes support for a candidate minutes before he or she declares is not trustworthy IMO.

RE: UK leaves the EU

Hannah Wynne Richards — Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:40:35 GMT

I'm really disappointed Micheal Gove is out of the cabinet.

Philip Hammond should be good, but I'm not impressed by Amber Rudd

Wynne

RE: UK leaves the EU

Bob Russell — Thu, 14 Jul 2016 11:09:44 GMT

I have to say I am pretty impressed with Ms May and her choices so far!

Never underestimate Boris, I suspect a number of foreign politicians will to their cost. I accept that he sometimes opens his mouth a little too much and has some opinions that appear somewhat aged and non-PC.

He is one of the most intelligent people in parliament. As long as he uses good sense with the people around him then we are likely to be in good hands.

I am much more relaxed now at least one party (thankfully the one in government) has a team forming. I suspect many in the EU parliament will be looking on with concern. Britain doing OK at this stage is likely to encourage others to get restless!

RE: UK leaves the EU

Hannah Wynne Richards — Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:19:15 GMT

It will work.

David Davies is an excellent choice.

I'd have prefered Micheal Gove to Boris Johnson, because Boris has shown exreme irresponsibility in being a 4 x bratter.

Wynne

RE: UK leaves the EU

Francisco Gomez — Thu, 14 Jul 2016 06:41:48 GMT

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Well it continues to be a week of surprises - far from walking away Boris is now foreign secretary!

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Time to praise Theresa's appointments.

'Brexit means brexit', but it will be run by Brexiteers. If it fails, it would be their fault. If it works, it would be of their making too.

RE: UK leaves the EU

Richard Stephenson — Thu, 14 Jul 2016 00:14:33 GMT

[quote user="Robin Grimmer"] Boris, Farage, Gove et al - after getting the result they wanted has walked away![/quote]

Well it continues to be a week of surprises - far from walking away Boris is now foreign secretary! Its not a good time to be making political predictions as just about every pundit has been wrong about everything since the 23rd June!

RE: UK leaves the EU

Francisco Gomez — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 20:47:27 GMT

If James Bond were real, he would have to answer to Boris Johnson, maximum responsible of MI6, instead of M. Let that sink in for a moment ;-)

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 17:28:00 GMT

I found that news terribly upsetting - how anyone can support such a vile trade is totally beyond me.

I do, however think that British attitudes to animal welfare tend ( note I said tend.........because it's not always the case) to be more humane than those in most of Europe. We banned sow tethering before the rest of Europr. We wouldn't allow bull fighting, or throwing live goats from church towers. We banned veal crates.

Wynne

RE: UK leaves the EU

Francisco Gomez — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 17:18:31 GMT

[quote user="Malcolm Ness"]

[quote user="Francisco Gomez"]British MEPs[/quote]

The references you cite relate exclusively to UKIP MEPs - probably as representative of "British MEPs" as say the Basque or Catalonian separatists are of your views.

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Are you implying I condemn or support Basque or Catalonian separatists? Or are you just annoyed that I pointed out that those UKIP MEPs are British?

Either way what I was pointing -to Wynne- is that coming off the EU doesn't automatically means that rules related to ivory trade would necessarily be more animal friendly. The fact that half of the vote against the ban was British is not an exercise of stereotyping British politicians and voters, but simply to demonstrate that EU ruling (up to now) has been of British making too.

RE: UK leaves the EU

Malcolm Ness — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:07:36 GMT

[quote user="Francisco Gomez"]British MEPs[/quote]

The references you cite relate exclusively to UKIP MEPs - probably as representative of "British MEPs" as say the Basque or Catalonian separatists are of your views.

RE: UK leaves the EU

Hannah Wynne Richards — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:39:51 GMT

Oh dear.

I'll have to found my own party.

There's a fault with all of them.

Either not sufficiently committed to animal welfare, or not sufficiently determined to stamp out crime, or not sufficiently determined to minimise taxation.

Wynne

RE: UK leaves the EU

Francisco Gomez — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:21:00 GMT

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If I wasn't already a confirmed Brexiter, that would have convinced me.

We can now at least ban the importation of ivory to this country

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Wynne, coming off the EU wouldn't change things much given the voting record of British MEPs

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip-criticised-after-its-meps-vote-no-on-a-resolution-to-tackle-world-ivory-trade-9278390.html

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/ukip-fish-and-ivory-voting-record.html

At least in the EU some positive steps exist, I don't think it is enough, not at all.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/2014-2019/vella/blog/international-ivory-trade-ban-here-stay_en

A total ban might instead increase demand - I don't say that I support it, but it is a point of view.

RE: UK leaves the EU

Hannah Wynne Richards — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:04:34 GMT

If I wasn't already a confirmed Brexiter, that would have convinced me.

We can now at least ban the importation of ivory to this country, and slightly lessen the appalling slaughter in a totally unnecessary and barbaric manner of these highly intelligent, sentile and endangered animals.

Wynne

RE: UK leaves the EU

Malcolm Ness — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:09:52 GMT

According to The Guardian, the EU Commission has decided to oppose an outright ban on the trade of ivory.

It beggars belief.

On the other hand, there is only one material that can be used in the construction of ivory towers!!

RE: UK leaves the EU

Bob Russell — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:57:09 GMT

[quote user="Robin Grimmer"]

The thing I hate most about Leave is that every single one of the key players - Boris, Farage, Gove et al - after getting the result they wanted has walked away! It seems crazy that we have a new PM that was pro Remain.

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Not really! We have a new PM with a record of tough but competent management. The markets seem to like her, the Pound has risen somewhat and people are starting to accept the realities and look to the upsides as well as the downs!

Ms May has a job to do and that involves sorting out the best for the UK. She has a history of surrounding herself with quality staff and not yes men.

She is also not part of the boy's club that has run things recently. She did go to Oxford but should not be downgraded that much for that (I was born and brought up in Cambridge!).

We cannot be sure yet that the Brexit negotiating team will not be Boris, Farage and Gove! I still think that Boris has a lot to offer.

Yes, the UK may become the most dynamic economy in Europe. Time will tell!

RE: UK leaves the EU

Robin Grimmer — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:36:21 GMT

RE: UK leaves the EU

Francisco Gomez — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:18:13 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36771595

Still investing in the UK!

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Of course they are. Once the red tape is gone, the UK will be the new China! ;-)