Interview with ex-homeopath

RE: Interview with ex-homeopath

Bob Russell — Tue, 24 May 2016 17:30:55 GMT

If you read the article Prof Ernst:

"He has received training in acupuncture, autogenic training, herbalism, homoeopathy, massage therapy and spinal manipulation. He learned homeopathy, acupuncture and other things whilst at a homeopathic hospital in Munich, when he began his medical career."

Presumably this involved him being a practitioner in the pseudoscience, apparently not convinced though!

Without doubt he is an anti-homoeopath but not too closed minded to rule out acupuncture, aromatherapy, hypnosis and some herbal treatments. Much of this may result in a degree of placebo effect but not all.

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Elliot Kneba — Tue, 24 May 2016 16:50:09 GMT

Just to clarify, Professor Ernst studies complementary medicine and has not been a practitioner of it, so cannot be considered an ex-homeopath. He is one of the true champions of science based medicine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edzard_Ernst#Work_in_complementary_medicine

RE: Interview with ex-homeopath

Phil Hyde — Wed, 18 May 2016 20:13:29 GMT

Chris day also states that "Those who would attack homeopathy state clearly that it has been proven not to work. However, all science and philosophy tells us that you cannot prove a negative. "

Finally, an admission that the effects of homeopathy are 'negative' and thus cannot be disproved!

I love it.

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Nhombokisheni — Mon, 16 May 2016 20:47:35 GMT

This guy, in one of his books on cats wrote, "A cat’s immune system is a very finely poised and delicately balanced yet powerful entity in the daily battle for life and health. (…) Deaths, severe illness and chronic mild illness have all been recorded as following closely on vaccination. (…) There is an alternative to conventional vaccination but it has not been efficacy-tested on laboratory animals. No proof of efficacy therefore exists. However, many breeders, show people, cat lovers and catteries now feel strongly that the alternative is as effective as, and, safer than, conventional vaccination."

I find no purpose in following his rantings.............

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Niall Taylor — Mon, 16 May 2016 20:31:14 GMT

[quote user="Arlo Guthrie"]Which page?[/quote]

Niall

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Niall Taylor — Mon, 16 May 2016 20:29:48 GMT

[quote user="patrick murphy"]I mistakenly thought that this line of practice went with peaceful zen like alternative people.[/quote]

Oh really?

Here's a quote from veterinary homeopath Chris Day's website about those who criticise homeopathy:

"Regarding critics of homeopathy: it is tempting to wonder why the ******* ******s don't get off their backsides and witness the results of homeopathic treatment... Perhaps vested interest and the lucrative returns of 'big pharma' are too attractive and too comfortable to allow such objectivity...

"For how long can these ***wits insult science by hiding behind that august word when they are patently being unscientific?.."

Nice...

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Nhombokisheni — Mon, 16 May 2016 20:17:09 GMT

[quote user="Claudia Niehoegen"]

I heard this just having been presented with a young dog who chewed up several blister packs of homeopathic travel sickness pills. They contained apomorph and nux vomica and other ingredients.

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Did the sachets contain these drugs OR it was just a claim on the label??????

RE: Interview with ex-homeopath

Arlo Guthrie — Mon, 16 May 2016 19:11:39 GMT

[quote user="patrick murphy"]bit of a homeo rant in VT this week[/quote]

16th May edition? Can't find anything in that one. Which page?

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patrick murphy — Sat, 14 May 2016 15:27:40 GMT

bit of a homeo rant in VT this week. I mistakenly thought that this line of practice went with peaceful zen like alternative people.

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Sat, 14 May 2016 11:15:16 GMT

Arlo, you'll have to take up trampolining for it to work. 100 bounces immediately before every pee

The homeopathic efficacy of tap water also varies according to where you live.

Londoners should be automatically homeopathically cured of every disease known. People living in Birmingham or Liverpool aren't as lucky!

Wynne

RE: Interview with ex-homeopath

Arlo Guthrie — Fri, 13 May 2016 19:49:39 GMT

[quote user="Marie Kubiak"]Ah but it won't have shaken in just the right way to energise the selected molecule. Really Arlo, it's as if you can't grasp the infallible science behind homeopathy [/quote]

Oh, I dunno, I thought it was probably all succussing away nicely in my bladder, ready to be released back into the water supply.

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Marie Kubiak — Fri, 13 May 2016 19:09:16 GMT

[quote user="Arlo Guthrie"]

They presumably didn't have to. They could just take water from a tap. What I mean is, surely a single glass of common or garden tap water contains a homeopathic dose of every medicine ever made?

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Ah but it won't have shaken in just the right way to energise the selected molecule. Really Arlo, it's as if you can't grasp the infallible science behind homeopathy

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Arlo Guthrie — Fri, 13 May 2016 18:24:34 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]Whatever, how did the purveyors of these tablets get hold of apomorphine in the first place[/quote]

They presumably didn't have to. They could just take water from a tap. What I mean is, surely a single glass of common or garden tap water contains a homeopathic dose of every medicine ever made?

RE: Interview with ex-homeopath

Bob Russell — Fri, 13 May 2016 17:29:05 GMT

Where do they get the 100% pure water? If the theory is right and dilution makes things stronger what other treatments are being slipped into the patient?

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Martin Atkinson — Fri, 13 May 2016 16:22:15 GMT

[quote user="Rob Davis"]Surely the point is they were homeopathic remedies, ie diluted however many hundreds of times until no active ingredients remained, so no POM present.[/quote]Yeah but.....my point is that they maybe are not truly homeopathic (although that is in itself an oxymoron) but 'herbal' or 'natural' as some people do get confuse between the two? Whatever, how did the purveyors of these tablets get hold of apomorphine in the first place even if they subsequently diluted it out of existence?

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Rob Davis — Fri, 13 May 2016 16:04:54 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]That these contained some active ingredient which had a deleterious effect would mean that they are not strictly speaking homeopathic but more 'herbal' but where apomorph comes into that area is debatable. And how someone can buy something which contains a POM medication without a prescription is worrying.[/quote]

Surely the point is they were homeopathic remedies, ie diluted however many hundreds of times until no active ingredients remained, so no POM present.

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Martin Atkinson — Fri, 13 May 2016 09:15:04 GMT

[quote user="Claudia Niehoegen"] They contained apomorph and nux vomica and other ingredients.[/quote]Given that the principle of homeopathy is the dilution of the ingredients to a level at which they have no function a true homeopathic travel sick pill would have no effect. That these contained some active ingredient which had a deleterious effect would mean that they are not strictly speaking homeopathic but more 'herbal' but where apomorph comes into that area is debatable. And how someone can buy something which contains a POM medication without a prescription is worrying.

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Silvia Maldonado — Fri, 13 May 2016 02:34:48 GMT

Actually, "placebopathy" does work for some humans

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Braden Collins — Fri, 13 May 2016 00:25:44 GMT

If like cures like and homeopathy worked, you'd have no chance of making that dog vomit. But it things were more powerful with dilution, this dog had had several times bigger all, so maybe it would have needed less apomorphine. This homeopathy is confusing.....