BBC TV interviewee needed in London tomorrow

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Thu, 21 Jan 2016 16:17:39 GMT

Evelyn Could also fine the criminals, so, ideally, the entire cost of running the country would be raised from fines, and the law abiding would be freed from taxation.

Wishful thinking (sigh)

I'm pretty certain "nurse" was once a protected title, which was the reason for RANA Then the law changed, and it became non-protected, so RCVS were able to change to VN

Wynne

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Martin Atkinson — Thu, 21 Jan 2016 15:28:31 GMT

Well I would happily have done it especially as I genuinely believe the term nurse cannot be protected, my nurses nurse whether they are qualified or not. But I'm too busy getting prepared for going off on CITS tomorrow. Pity really, it's just up my street literally and metaphorically.

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Thu, 21 Jan 2016 14:57:46 GMT

"Registered nurse" is a protected title.

"Nurse" is not.

Seems quite sensible to me.

RCVS and BVNA should modify their ambitions and be content with the same.

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Michael Woodhouse — Thu, 21 Jan 2016 14:03:29 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"] There was a time when the title nurse was legally confined to qualified human nurses. When I qualified, it was a criminal offence to refer to RANAs as nurses.[/quote]

I don't believe you, because the title nurse is not protected (but the human nurses want it to be). I think in the attached article (arguing for protection of title) that if it was protected when you qualified they'd mention that.

http://www.nursingtimes.net/claudine-wetherall-protect-the-nurse-title-to-boost-the-status-of-the-profession/5059813.fullarticle

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Thu, 21 Jan 2016 13:07:03 GMT

There are so very many criminals in your world, Wynne.

I know you wish to see them all prosecuted and punished, too.

Ready to see your taxes rise to pay for all the new prosecutions and the new prisons, warders, manacles.......?

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Thu, 21 Jan 2016 12:35:16 GMT

There was a time when the title nurse was legally confined to qualified human nurses SRNs or SENs as they were then. That's the reason why when RCVS 1st started to train veterinary nurses, they weren't allowed to call them nurses, but had to call them RANAs (Registered - which was silly, since they didn't have a register - veterinary auxiliary nurses) When I qualified, it was a criminal offence to refer to RANAs as nurses.

Wynne

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Michael Woodhouse — Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:24:34 GMT

I don't think you can expect to protect the title 'nurse'. It's unrealistic as nursing just means to provide basic care - people nurse their pets all the time.

Call the unqualified ones nurses - because they nurse things.

Call the qualified ones veterinary nurses (VNs).

I think kennel maid is old fashioned and demeaning. What if it was a boy one?

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Bob Russell — Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:05:03 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]

Is bar maid demeaning? Is chamber maid in a hotel demeaning?

Wynne

[/quote]

Yes!

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Bob Russell — Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:03:54 GMT

Dated, demeaning and really inaccurate. Other than that? Fine!

Non-registered 'nurses' can be as good or better than some of the qualified ones. I would hate to be without at least one qualified nurse to keep a check on those carrying out nursing duties. I have someone in theatre that I trust to pick up issues early. Very experienced and capable but ready to call for qualified help if needed.

My wife works in a thousand pounds a night, five star hotel and even they don't have maids!

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:01:25 GMT

Is bar maid demeaning? Is chamber maid in a hotel demeaning?

Wynne

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Arlo Guthrie — Thu, 21 Jan 2016 09:51:57 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"] Why not call the RVNs nurses, and the rest kennel men/maids[/quote]

Doesn't 'Kennel Maid' sound rather dated and a bit demeaning? If I was a 20-year-experienced, but unqualified nurse, I'd be very unhappy with that title!

And what about those head nurses who are unqualified? Head Kennel Maid? It doesn't really work, does it?!

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]Calling unqualified staff technicians is too much like calling rat catchers "rodent operatives"[/quote] Laughed out loud. You have a point. Also, I think it implies a higher degree of qualification than someone is necessarily entitled to.

Language is the problem, and until someone comes up with a workable term to describe unqualified nurses and head nurses, I can't see how the term could be protected.

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Thu, 21 Jan 2016 08:52:34 GMT

Why not call the RVNs nurses, and the rest kennel men/maids - in exactly the same way as old fashioned equine practices always used to employ a yard man? Calling unqualified staff technicians is too much like calling rat catchers "rodent operatives" If no-one is anyone in particular, then what incentive is there for nurses to bother qualifying? Anyway, imagine the confusion if a veterinary surgeon who'd qualified in this country did an internship in the USA There, the equivalent of our RVNs (allowed to perform minor surgery) are called veterinary technicians, and are more highly qualified than the nurses, who are the equivalents of out ANAs

Wynne

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grumpyoldman — Wed, 20 Jan 2016 23:52:23 GMT

You can solve this by calling them all veterinary technicians but only the qualified ones, Nurses or Nursing technicians . SO everyone is someone while no one is still anyone in particular . Oh and for gods sake do not give the graduate nurses extra recognition over the old ones ,you could get something very nasty in your coffee as well as a mutiny.

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Mark Hedberg — Wed, 20 Jan 2016 14:09:00 GMT

No thanks - i can just see the lynch mob! ;)

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Arlo Guthrie — Wed, 20 Jan 2016 12:53:53 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Dennison"]Braver person than me to appear on regional news and await the backlash from VNs...[/quote]

Laughed out loud!

I suppose I was thinking it should be possible to explain the counter argument without being necessarily against the petition per se. As a disinterested layman, I think I'm broadly in favour of the added recognition etc for veterinary nurses, but equally think the above problems are very real (and perhaps insurmountable).

But there is the risk that even stating the counter argument (without necessarily being against the petition) will release the brickbats!

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Anthony Dennison — Wed, 20 Jan 2016 12:22:10 GMT

Braver person than me to appear on regional news and await the backlash from VNs...