It's a view of those born 1980 onwards

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Wed, 06 Jan 2016 17:21:07 GMT

Proof that the world really is deteriorating. Someone who did exactly the same thing 80 years earlier - expanded recklessly, tried to get out of trouble by issuing a share prospectus which was economical with the truth, and had to be bailed out by taxpayers was not only financially ruined, but even more importantly jailed. The poor taxpayers still had to bail out a company that was too important to the economy to be allowed to fail, but at least had the satisfaction of seeing the perpetrator punished.

Wynne

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Martin Atkinson — Wed, 06 Jan 2016 16:52:01 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"] Perfect example Fred "the shred" Goodwin[/quote]Yeah but he collected the moon on the way down and kept hold of it!

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Wed, 06 Jan 2016 16:42:54 GMT

Some of the "whizz-kids" who shoot up fastest, can also fall to earth in an equally spectacular fashion. Perfect example Fred "the shred" Goodwin

Wynne

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Martin Atkinson — Wed, 06 Jan 2016 16:41:24 GMT

[quote user="Clare Tapsfield-Wright"] If you're not the lead husky you always have to look at someone else's backside but the sleigh still needs a full team [/quote]I do love that I shall look forward for an opportunity to use it myself.

[quote user="Clare Tapsfield-Wright"]I think your younger daughter must be a very special person. [/quote]She is indeed and we are the first to tell her that but she is still struggling to realise it herself when elder daughter gets praise poured upon her form all directions. If her band takes off she will take a stratospheric leap, I just hope she doesn't become an Amy Winehouse - artistically talented but flawed.

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Clare Tapsfield-Wright — Wed, 06 Jan 2016 16:30:33 GMT

Martin your younger daughter is probably better at some things than you, her mother and her sister, one of which might be making the rest of you all feel that there is always someone the rest of you don't need to compete with. She might consider other things in life more valuable than the ones you do, maybe she values empathy and kindness. Some achievements are not measurable and thank goodness for those in our society who don't have to be number one. If you're not the lead husky you always have to look at someone else's backside but the sleigh still needs a full team and can't be pulled by the alpha male alone. I think your younger daughter must be a very special person.

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Martin Atkinson — Wed, 06 Jan 2016 13:01:44 GMT

[quote user="Lucy Fleming"] I don't know how much this is a Gen Y thing, or comes from the 'top achiever at school firmly into the middle of class at vet school' issue that has been discussed before, but I do sometimes struggle with feelings of inadequacy. [/quote]Certainly in our household I think the reason the younger daughter has struggled a bit is because her mother, father and sister are all high achiever/ambitious/alpha personalities and she has found it difficult to be equal. Of course we're all different and no-one expects her to be super brilliant at everything like her sister. But sometimes it is difficult to tell yourself that and feelings of failure can creep in even though you are still head and shoulders above most of the rest of the population. She is only just beginning to realise this.

[quote user="Lucy Fleming"]I think managing that desire to be 'exceptional' that I think many in the profession have can definitely be a challenge for employers, but surely better to have employees that have drive and ambition than employees that have none.[/quote]Although as one of the BB generation from a working class family I had no high expectations I was nonetheless was super self confident in my own ability and wasn't scared to tell employers they were wrong when I thought they were. This may have something to do with why I got through 6 jobs in 18 months when I first qualified!

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grumpyoldman — Wed, 06 Jan 2016 12:05:50 GMT

you need employees who are ambitious and want to take things to the next level , as long as they do not become lone wolves and run up blind alleys, because walking back down the alley may mean treading in your own droppings . They also need to keep in mind that if everyone is someone after a while no one is anyone. Its all about balancing ambition with realistic pragmatism .

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Lucy Fleming — Wed, 06 Jan 2016 11:37:59 GMT

[quote user="J G Wray"]

http://waitbutwhy.com/2013/09/why-generation-y-yuppies-are-unhappy.html

BB types might get something from this as well, particularly if they're employers.

[/quote]

It's meeee! She even has the same name as me!

Jokes aside though, I can kind of see what they are getting at. I don't know how much this is a Gen Y thing, or comes from the 'top achiever at school firmly into the middle of class at vet school' issue that has been discussed before, but I do sometimes struggle with feelings of inadequacy. Not neccessarily that I expect my life to be a green lawn with flowers and a unicorn without working for it, but in considering whether I am achieving what I expect/ want both in work and outside work. Comparing myself to peers (curse social media sometimes for keeping me in touch with people from school that I have very little in common with!) is unhelpful but sometimes difficult not to do.

I think managing that desire to be 'exceptional' that I think many in the profession have can definitely be a challenge for employers, but surely better to have employees that have drive and ambition than employees that have none.

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Richard Carter — Wed, 06 Jan 2016 09:51:13 GMT

a comment from my father when I was finding the grind getting to me - 'that's why it's called work' - helps put things into perspective

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Martin Atkinson — Tue, 05 Jan 2016 18:43:26 GMT

[quote user="grumpyoldman"]

[quote user="robloxley"]Is this much different to the gushing 'round-robin' Christmas letters of old?[/quote]

Not sure, I was never exposed to that.

[/quote]What do you mean 'never was', we still are! I just boast to you lot on here!!

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grumpyoldman — Tue, 05 Jan 2016 18:35:18 GMT

[quote user="robloxley"]Is this much different to the gushing 'round-robin' Christmas letters of old?[/quote]

Not sure, I was never exposed to that.

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Francisco Gomez — Tue, 05 Jan 2016 18:03:51 GMT

I move in very diversed world. Last night I went out with some high school old friends in Spain (born 80's).. we found our old Maths teacher, just retired, and he came along for the 'bar crawl' and got drunk with us... A couple of younger students ('90s) that we found during the night bought him a drink. He talked about his own views about the changes in attitude about generations of his own students. I wonder how accurate people who reach these generalisations think they are...

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Martin Atkinson — Tue, 05 Jan 2016 16:44:35 GMT

Both my daughters are generation Y. Both were encouraged to be self-confident and had self-belief instilled in them much like Lucy. Apart from a bit of a mid teens blip when Emily the Elder was envious of her much wealthier school friends, as reported in an earlier thread, she lives her life to the full, has embraced the world in many different directions and forged her path in technology. Unfortunately Alice the Younger was a bit overwhelmed by it all and suffered mentally a little. But she has re-adjusted her sights and is finding her niche.

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Rob Loxley — Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:38:37 GMT

[quote user="grumpyoldman"]The electronic persona does sometimes take over and control their aspirations, which is not always healthy ,particularly in a competitive environment . I sometimes look at the photos of smiling happy faces out and about or on holiday , everything looks great... [/quote]

Is this much different to the gushing 'round-robin' Christmas letters of old?

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Arlo Guthrie — Tue, 05 Jan 2016 09:32:05 GMT

[quote user="J G Wray"]

This makes you Gen X - you might like this

http://www.wmfc.org/uploads/GenerationalDifferencesChart.pdf

d'ya see anything of yourself?[/quote]

A bit, yes, but there's so much there it reminds me a bit of palm readers (say enough, and there's bound to be something in there that resonates).

[quote user="J G Wray"]

[quote user="Arlo Guthrie"]Hadn't seen that Google Ngram tool (https://books.google.com/ngrams/) either. Looks riveting, except I am not really sure what it actually tells us. [/quote]

Put in "Arlo Guthrie" and there's a pick up recently - you or him?[/quote]

Him - interesting that the pick up times with the growth of the Internet - I think he'd been slightly forgotten (if one ever can be 'slightly' forgotten) until the internet came about.

[quote user="J G Wray"]Put in "Alexander Guthrie" and blimey, who are you?[/quote] Nobody, and very pleased (genuinely) to be nobody in this day and age!

[quote user="J G Wray"]

For these set of ills enjoy this

http://waitbutwhy.com/2013/07/7-ways-to-be-insufferable-on-facebook.html

it amuses me[/quote]

So true. In fact, it prompted me to check my own facebook posts over the last year (I'm not a very frequent user, but occasionally post stuff). Mostly trying to share something funny/interesting but a significant amount of bragging (by which I mean anything showing that I'm having a good time). Don't think I'm guilty of any of the other crimes. Did cause me to reflect on the fact that the only person I really follow on facebook only ever posts funny/interesting stuff. Will aim to do better in 2016 :)

[quote user="Neil Wheadon"]The best Facebook feed I get is from a fellow vet who posts things like the PDF above, and yes it really adds to my day [/quote]

I loved grannies cookies! But your post reminded me that I've played around with the idea of a new vetsurgeon blog sharing stuff like that, with the aim of raising a smile. I need to get on and do it. Partly a problem of having the time to go and find the raw material. There's an awful lot of rubbish to soft through! Neil Wheadon can you PM the fb page of the vet who shares that stuff?

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David Mills — Tue, 05 Jan 2016 09:10:56 GMT

I think the casual, intentional, boasting of others has always happened it's just that it's more immediately accessible these days. But for whatever reason there is a sense of entitlement in my generation, fuelled by slective stories about 21-year-old start ups making millions (in ignorance of the 1000s that go under) from selling breakfast cereal for £4 a bowl. The classic phrase is "I want to do something more creative" - everyone is an artistic triumph waiting to happen, a Booker prize winner subjugated by the politicians and tax and the grind of everyday life. I do think it is more prevalent in those born after around the 90s who have had 'social media' throughout their teens (1983 child - didn't have email until about 18), the curse of celebrity etc.

One of the best things is to come off 'social media' altogether. No more is one bombarded with people thinking having a baby and little Kyle walking is akin to the greatest struggle man has even completed and the Christmas miracle all rolled into one.

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Tue, 05 Jan 2016 08:52:53 GMT

I thimk if I was Generation Y ,I'd be despairing, rather than merely dissatisfied. World population increased by a further 80 million last year. The thought of still being around in another 30/40 years is too gruesome to contemplate. Hopefully good old anno domini will remove me before it gets too bad.

Wynne

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Mark Hedberg — Tue, 05 Jan 2016 08:48:18 GMT

By year I'm apparently one of the last of Gen X - if only anyone could agree what we're supposed to be! ;)

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grumpyoldman — Mon, 04 Jan 2016 23:16:06 GMT

I do think that younger people have probably been sold an electronically enhanced image of themselves and their piers that reality makes it difficult to live up to. The electronic persona does sometimes take over and control their aspirations, which is not always healthy ,particularly in a competitive environment . I sometimes look at the photos of smiling happy faces out and about or on holiday , everything looks great , then when you speak to an individual turn out it was , a bit ok ,nothing special ,or actually a bit dull. But the fascade has to be maintained. As a BB reminds me of Smokey Robinson "tears of a".

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Busybee — Mon, 04 Jan 2016 19:06:55 GMT

A very interesting and true article! Born in 1986, I do think I have some aspects of a GYPSY but not all. I certainly know classmates that are just like Lucy though. Ditto the Facebook article!

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Martin Atkinson — Mon, 04 Jan 2016 18:59:03 GMT

[quote user="David Mills"]Martin Atkinson a gypsy- who knew?[/quote]No mate I'm a baby boomer but I have Gen Y expectations and self belief.

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Catriona MacIntyre — Mon, 04 Jan 2016 18:51:35 GMT

As my mother is fond of reminding me, I was born in the "Winter of Discontent", so theoretically I am Generation Y. I probably had a more old fashioned upbringing than many of my contemporaries though, so I don't really identify with "Lucy" in the article. I DO recognise her though!

I think many have lost, or never had the ability to be content. Many equate contentedness with a lack of ambition. I don't.

There are a lot of things about my life, both personal and work, that could be better or different, but hey, things are the way they are! I have a job. I enjoy it (most of the time :P ) I have a roof over my head. I don't have a lot of money, but enough (OK not for that big flash holiday, but I'd never remember to book the time off anyway!) I have family and friends who love & support me, and I'd like to think I can do a little of the same for them. I have a daft wee rehomed dog who thinks I'm a nutjob.

I live and work in a beautiful area. True, the climate is that of temperate rainforest and the transport links are not great, but otherwise the place would be overrun with tourists and second home owners. Our practice has a fab wee team. Yes, I have a few clients who I could see far enough, but d'ye know, the most of them are lovely people who have chosen to use our practice and appreciate, if not actually understand, the level of dedication and hard work our staff put in. The pile of cards, biscuits, choccies and cakes at Christmas time was quite shocking.

When I have so many good things to enjoy, it's a huge waste of time and energy to dwell on the things I haven't got. Doesn't mean I can't plan and set goals ... but it's not the be all and end all of life.

So... after reading the article from the OP, I think I missed the Generation Y Boat, and I'm not that sad about it :)

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ruths — Mon, 04 Jan 2016 18:49:12 GMT

I have been talking for some time about life being an expectation lowering excercise.

I'm not sure if it's a good day or a bad day when the shit you get served up is exactly what you were expecting.....

Im im also very aware that there are no jobs for life anymore....

There seems to be more talk about resilience and 'grit' and how more recent generations don't tend to have much of either.

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Michael Woodhouse — Mon, 04 Jan 2016 17:53:46 GMT

So I guess I was right when we were talking about job satisfaction later last year and I said the reason people are unsatisfied is because they have unrealistic expectations of the job?

I feel vindicated - and still say its the best job in the world!

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Neil Wheadon — Mon, 04 Jan 2016 16:18:19 GMT

www.vetsurgeon.org/.../4617.Mums-caje-recipe.pdf www.vetsurgeon.org/.../Mums-caje-recipe.pdf[quote user="J G Wray"]

For these set of ills enjoy this

http://waitbutwhy.com/2013/07/7-ways-to-be-insufferable-on-facebook.html

it amuses me

[/quote]

and me. I like the 2 graphs at the top.

The best Facebook feed I get is from a fellow vet who posts things like the PDF above, and yes it really adds to my day

(I had to do a screen shot, convert to PDF and then tried to include in the post, guess I'm not as special as I thought I was!!)