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Richard Carter — Tue, 29 Dec 2015 10:37:36 GMT

full stop - end of

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ruths — Mon, 28 Dec 2015 22:44:54 GMT

[quote user="Francisco Gomez"]

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Francisco Gomez — Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:40:38 GMT

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ruths — Fri, 25 Dec 2015 20:03:36 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

[quote user="ruths"]dont you think I that's interesting and challenging vs the same old same old?[/quote]I really think you're living in cloud cuckoo land Ruths and need a reality check.

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lol - I won't say what I think

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Fri, 25 Dec 2015 10:17:37 GMT

I have at least done something practical to lessen the trail of devastation they leave behind them. I have, for nearly 6 years paid livery fees for a horse they discarded, with no thought of her future welfare.

Wynne

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Martin Atkinson — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 16:50:26 GMT

[quote user="ruths"]dont you think I that's interesting and challenging vs the same old same old?[/quote]I really think you're living in cloud cuckoo land Ruths and need a reality check.

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Michael Woodhouse — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 16:38:20 GMT

[quote user="ruths"]dont you think I that's interesting and challenging vs the same old same old?[/quote]

No. The daft woman doesn't understand British agriculture. She's against people eating meat for gods sake. It's like putting a homoeopath in charge of the health service, a convict in charge of prisons and a paedophile in charge of schools.

We need ministers who really understand their area and are looking to get the very best out of the system - not sabotage it for their own ends.

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Martin Atkinson — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 16:37:34 GMT

[quote user="ruths"]I choose to take each person as they come and not treat people differently because I have had a bad experience with somebody else who looked like them or talked like them or live with them.[/quote]It is your prerogative to choose differently. I do try to choose to take each person as they come but that choice is made very quickly. Contrary to what you may believe I don't have a 'No Travellers' sign on my door, they are all given the chance to behave in a civilised manner and agree to pay for their treatment but sadly the overwhelming majority prefer not to take that chance.

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ruths — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 16:30:33 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]

[quote user="ruths"]He challenges the way we do politics and a lot of people find it uncomfortable so they enjoy making him into a joke figure.[/quote]

I think he's doing a very good job of that all by himself! A vegan minister for agriculture. Good move.

(Borris for PM!)

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dont you think I that's interesting and challenging vs the same old same old?

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Martin Atkinson — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 16:22:56 GMT

[quote user="Francisco Gomez"]So... you mean that any Briton who's not abusive and drunk on holidays should really avoid holiday destinations.[/quote]You're damn right. I think you've it the nail on the head there Francisco! Trouble is you may then run into drunk and abusive Germans and Scandinavians.

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Michael Woodhouse — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 16:22:12 GMT

[quote user="ruths"]He challenges the way we do politics and a lot of people find it uncomfortable so they enjoy making him into a joke figure.[/quote]

I think he's doing a very good job of that all by himself! A vegan minister for agriculture. Good move.

(Borris for PM!)

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ruths — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 16:17:01 GMT

[quote user="Thomas Johnson"]

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]

Is Jeremy Corbyn acting in a discriminatory fashion when he sends messages to Muslims, and Hindus ahead of their major festivals, but refuses to extend the same courtesy to Christians?

Serious question.

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Considering he used his last question at Prime Ministers Questions to wish all MPs and House of Commons staff a Happy Christmas, and he has sent official Christmas Cards I really don't understand why this is a story. Christmas messages from opposition leaders are very new, I think Ed Milliband was the first to issue one, so he's not exactly breaking a long standing tradition.

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he has been misquoted and misrepresented by the media since the day he stood up

And this is swallowed whole by a substantial part of the electorate in lieu of actually finding out more about him

He challenges the way we do politics and a lot of people find it uncomfortable so they enjoy making him into a joke figure.

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ruths — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 16:13:16 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

[quote user="ruths"]I do have experience of the different groups and I don't hold the same views as you.[/quote]So you are happy to give free treatment to every erm...traveller who comes in to your practice? Do you think it is OK to be offered for sale a chain saw that has been nicked by them from your shed? Do you think there is no problem with your rates/taxes going towards keeping them on social security when they are making money from illicit businesses but pay not tax or VAT themselves and they probably have more disposal income than you or I? Are you happy they leave piles of rubbish from their illegal camps the clearing of which comes form same said rates/taxes. Would you think its OK if they've illegally camped on your land, to which they have caused tens of thousands of pounds of damage before you can get them evicted? If so you do indeed hold a different view to me and you are amongst the meek, self-righteous who will inherit the earth. Best of luck with that.

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i don't agree with any of those things, martin

but I choose to take each person as they come and not treat people differently because I have had a bad experience with somebody else who looked like them or talked like them or live with them.

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grumpyoldman — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 15:50:40 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]We are not forming lynch mobs, burning torches and pitchforks. [/quote]

That made me think of Django and the eye holes in the pillow cases scene, maybe that would be a step too far.

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Michael Woodhouse — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 15:48:03 GMT

[quote user="Francisco Gomez"]

Are you seriously comparing with a species that aren't able to think rationaly?

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Yes.

Call it profiling. Call it what you will.

Classic example is police stop and search powers. I read a good article on this a couple of years ago. Limited police resources, the statistics showed that black kids were far more likely that white kids to be carrying weapons in certain parts of London. Police use this to influence where they use their limited resources - they search more black kids. They take more knives off the street. The police get accused of been racist - despite the statistics clearly showing a much higher proportion (not just absolute number) of black kids with weapons.

Getting through life is all about risk management. I have good evidence that a traveller is much more likely to steal something or not pay their bill than the average person who walks through my door. Kind of an irrefutable fact. So the only way for me to treat everyone equally is for me to assume everyone is out to shaft me and trust no one. That's not my way. Therefore to protect my business, my staff, my property and myself I need to base things on risk.

To be clear they are still more than welcome. I will still be nice to them. I don't wish them harm, but I do wish they wouldn't come and steal things and mess things up every-bloody-year......

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Francisco Gomez — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 15:44:43 GMT

Im exhausted. I think we'll agree to disagree here. Merry Xmas.

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Francisco Gomez — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 15:39:40 GMT

Are you seriously comparing with a species that aren't able to think rationaly Michael Woodhouse?

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Robin Grimmer — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 15:32:22 GMT

[quote user="Francisco Gomez"]

[quote user="Robin Grimmer"]

I agree. It's not racist to be against travellers as they are not a distinct racial group.

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The crux of the matter is that in statements like this you are discrimating people based on a stereotype. It doesn't f***ing matter if they're a racial group or not, it matters that you can be English, white, brown, black, Spanish, Syrian, Christian, Muslim or vegetarian. It doesn't matter. It is morally wrong to treat a single HUMAN different because you've had a distinctic experience with another.

There is a simple exercise. Think about the worst possible stereotypical adjective that could be applied to a group you believe you belong to but you don't share. Then think why on earth you should be treated differently based on that.

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Disagree. I'm not discriminating, my objection against them is their travelling lifestyle - paying no taxes, not giving a damn about anyone else or the environment. It's not a stereotype, it's the definition of a traveller. I enjoy cycle touring and camping, but I pay my way and don't leave rubbish everywhere.

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Michael Woodhouse — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 15:31:08 GMT

[quote user="Francisco Gomez"]The crux of the matter is that in statements like this you are discrimating people based on a stereotype. It doesn't f***ing matter if they're a racial group or not, it matters that you can be English, white, brown, black, Spanish, Syrian, Christian, Muslim or vegetarian. It doesn't matter. It is morally wrong to treat a single HUMAN different because you've had a distinctic experience with another.[/quote]

Is this any different to treating different breeds of dog differently in your consulting room? I imagine you are nice and polite to all dogs - but there are some breeds I am MUCH more likely to muzzle (for example).

I see it as we are using this information as a means to be more aware. We are on the route for the Appleby horse fair and get 'travellers' coming through both ways. Every year they make a mess of all the village greens (rubbish, horse and human shit). Every year a load of petty thefts happen. For those two weeks we don't leave any drugs out. All work done is paid by cash at the time, etc.

We are using the information of that group's history to inform our risk management. We are still happy seeing them as clients. We are not forming lynch mobs, burning torches and pitchforks. We are friendly and polite to them as any other customer. I'm much more likely to muzzle a collie dog than a spaniel. How is this different?

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Francisco Gomez — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 15:18:43 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

If I was the only decent one amongst them I would get the hell out so as not be associated with them.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/drunk-and-abusive-britons-wreak-havoc-in-spain-as-2000-are-jailed-891489.html

So... you mean that any Briton who's not abusive and drunk on holidays should really avoid holiday destinations.

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Martin Atkinson — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 15:16:41 GMT

[quote user="Francisco Gomez"]It is morally wrong to treat a single HUMAN different because you've had a distinctic experience with another.[/quote]You are absolutely right Francisco. But when one has virtually never had a positive experience from a group I think it is only natural that one would tar the whole lot with the same brush. Maybe there is an issue with them believing that there is no point changing their behaviour if they are going to be castigated anyway but the onus is upon them to make the first move, When I have offered the hand of friendship or generosity I have been invariably shafted by them.

[quote user="Francisco Gomez"]Think about the worst possible stereotypical adjective that could be applied to a group you believe you belong to but you don't share. Then think why on earth you should be treated differently based on that.[/quote]If I was the only decent one amongst them I would get the hell out so as not be associated with them.

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Francisco Gomez — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 15:05:29 GMT

[quote user="Robin Grimmer"]

I agree. It's not racist to be against travellers as they are not a distinct racial group.

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Robin Grimmer — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:41:54 GMT

I agree. It's not racist to be against travellers as they are not a distinct racial group. They choose to live outside normal society paying no council tax. I have seen first hand the state they leave the countryside in round here when they camp illegally on someone's land. And of course, who foots the bill for clearing up the mess including human waste? Yep, you and me.

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Martin Atkinson — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:32:50 GMT

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 14:20:30 GMT

I agree with you and Jeremy Corbyn on Syria. It's none of our business, it will cost taxpayers money, and will make the situation even worse

Wynne