Prescriptions by Suitably qualified persons

RE: Prescriptions by Suitably qualified persons

Bob Russell — Tue, 17 Nov 2015 09:58:41 GMT

Not silly questions at all. Just a very silly system that was introduced to bypass EU law. The law would have prevented anyone at an agricultural merchants supplying wormers etc.

Daft!

RE: Prescriptions by Suitably qualified persons

Charlotte Marshall — Mon, 16 Nov 2015 23:21:49 GMT

With regard to whether there can be problems with it, I had a Yorkshire terrier in recently whose owner had applied a 20 -40 kg frontline to the dog. We certainly had not sold it to them. Presumably the SQP who did omitted to check what size the dog actually was. Luckily there were no ill effects.

RE: Prescriptions by Suitably qualified persons

Dagmar Steele — Mon, 16 Nov 2015 18:40:30 GMT

[quote user="robloxley"]

[quote user="Dagmar Steele"]they can become an RQP[/quote]

But if working in a practice with a vet on site what is the advantage?

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I have no clue, I'm actually not familiar with the concept at all as I'm not based in the UK, (hence all my silly questions). Maybe so the vet doesn't have to do it himself?

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Rob Loxley — Mon, 16 Nov 2015 18:14:51 GMT

[quote user="Dagmar Steele"]they can become an RQP[/quote]

But if working in a practice with a vet on site what is the advantage?

RE: Prescriptions by Suitably qualified persons

Bob Russell — Mon, 16 Nov 2015 12:04:00 GMT

If the VN training does not include all the requirements to become an SQP (or it seems C-SQP???) then someone needs to review the syllabus urgently.

Sadly the whole thing just goes to show that money talks!

RE: Prescriptions by Suitably qualified persons

Martin Atkinson — Mon, 16 Nov 2015 10:45:21 GMT

[quote user="Dagmar Steele"]Martin, you are, of course, right. Unfortunately I am about to write an article about regulations and rules, not about common sense. These two don't go together very well in my experience.[/quote]

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Dagmar Steele — Mon, 16 Nov 2015 10:38:48 GMT

Martin, you are, of course, right. Unfortunately I am about to write an article about regulations and rules, not about common sense. These two don't go together very well in my experience....

RE: Prescriptions by Suitably qualified persons

Martin Atkinson — Mon, 16 Nov 2015 10:26:06 GMT

[quote user="Dagmar Steele"] So yes, a VN can become a SQP. [/quote]I would say a VN is already a verySQP as are my unqualified nurses - my in-house training beats any SQP course hands down. The fact they have to do a course designed for morons is an absurdity. Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools.

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Dagmar Steele — Mon, 16 Nov 2015 10:14:54 GMT

Or to be really precise, they can become an RQP, sorry for turbo posting....

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Dagmar Steele — Mon, 16 Nov 2015 10:04:35 GMT

Actually I did have look on the website in the meantime. There is an option for VN, it seems the test is different from the one for lay persons due to the fact that their training already covered some of the areas. Nonetheless they have to take the same CPD as lay persons. So yes, a VN can become a SQP.

RE: Prescriptions by Suitably qualified persons

Bob Russell — Mon, 16 Nov 2015 09:40:48 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

[quote user="Bob Russell"] The term prescription should be restricted to properly qualified people such as doctors, nurses, dentists, pharmacists, vets and vet nurses. [/quote]Don't think you'll find vet nurses can write prescriptions without them being signed off by vet.

[quote user="Bob Russell"]Couple of days training and passing an exam makes you entitled to prescribe prescription medication[/quote]A couple of days - more like a couple of hours and then it is only common sense. And even then SQPs can only dispense medication designated erm....SQP. This is not 'medication' as we know it Jim.

Sadly common sense isn't that common and as you said previously it is only pile of bovine dung to make people with no qualifications feel important and justify some tin pot worthless legislation - or words to that effect. My cat is probably more qualified to dispense advice and medicines than most SQPs!

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i was talking about human nurses (able to write prescriptions for limited medicines). Vet nurses should be able to prescribe a limited range of products based on their existing training.

SQP's are generally people with no medical training and I fail to see how that can be taught in even the most basic terms within the few days training required. Can they really be knowledgeable enough to understand parasite resistance adequately to be in charge of worm control on farms?

RE: Prescriptions by Suitably qualified persons

Rob Loxley — Mon, 16 Nov 2015 09:29:59 GMT

[quote user="Dagmar Steele"]ist it true that in the UK some lay persons like farriers are allowed to write prescriptions for certain medicines like wormers?[/quote]

SQPs as mentioned. But don't forget that UK human pharmacists can also prescribe the same products to animals, and we have come across similar problems with level of knowledge and quality of advice

[quote user="Dagmar Steele"]Do you experience any problems from this, like cats with tapeworms repeatedly given the wrong wormers?[/quote]

In the UK there is a very small list of drugs (active principles I mean, rather than different brand names) that SQPs can actually dispense to companion animals. Generally SQPs are employed by retailers in order to sell these products so they are fairly proactive in selling them. Rather than tapeworm 'gaps' I'd be more concerned about leaving gaps in say dog lungworm prevention, by virtue of what actives they prescribe.

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Michael Woodhouse — Mon, 16 Nov 2015 00:03:04 GMT

[quote user="Dagmar Steele"]Thanks Bob, by typing in the right words I found the website myself. Do you experience any problems from this, like cats with tapeworms repeatedly given the wrong wormers? We had this issue in Germany back in the days when nobody gave a d... if a pharmacist handed out veterinary products (although they weren't allowed to do so and apparently not qualified either )[/quote]

I could give you cattle and sheep examples until you dropped dead......

"give a half dose of triclabendazole now and then the other half in a couple of weeks - the full dose will kill them"

RE: Prescriptions by Suitably qualified persons

Dagmar Steele — Thu, 12 Nov 2015 16:24:50 GMT

Thanks Bob, by typing in the right words I found the website myself. Do you experience any problems from this, like cats with tapeworms repeatedly given the wrong wormers? We had this issue in Germany back in the days when nobody gave a d... if a pharmacist handed out veterinary products (although they weren't allowed to do so and apparently not qualified either )

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Martin Atkinson — Thu, 12 Nov 2015 14:44:10 GMT

RE: Prescriptions by Suitably qualified persons

Bob Russell — Thu, 12 Nov 2015 12:23:00 GMT

Check the AMTRA website! www.amtra.org.uk.

The UK is completely at odds with pretty much the rest of Europe. Couple of days training and passing an exam makes you entitled to prescribe prescription medication (some).

RE: Prescriptions by Suitably qualified persons

Dagmar Steele — Thu, 12 Nov 2015 11:29:44 GMT

Now I know why I couldn't find information on the web, I had the wrong term.... instead of specific it has to be suitably qualified. Changed the thread to the right term.

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Dagmar Steele — Thu, 12 Nov 2015 11:16:47 GMT

How do you become a SPQ (and yes I agree it's b....t), just by being a qualified farrier, agricultural merchant?

RE: Prescriptions by Specific qualified persons

Bob Russell — Thu, 12 Nov 2015 11:03:44 GMT

Only if they are SQP's.

Part of the bulls*it created to keep Agricultural Merchants etc supplying medication. The term prescription should be restricted to properly qualified people such as doctors, nurses, dentists, pharmacists, vets and vet nurses.