Hameron - did he do it?

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Mark Hedberg — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 21:44:14 GMT

[quote user="Malcolm Ness"]

It seems, therefore, that the man's "green" credentials are intact!!

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Depends on how long the pig was dead, wouldn't you say?

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Martin Atkinson — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 18:00:18 GMT

Being as this thread has gone off at a tangent on population control before I contributed, have I lost the opportunity to make my quote: 'Laws are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools'?

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Thu, 24 Sep 2015 18:26:58 GMT

Rob Not if the last 3 were triplets

Wynne

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Francisco Gomez — Thu, 24 Sep 2015 17:40:27 GMT

[quote] - something that was never likely to result in offspring.

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Never understimate the power of homeopathy

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bob lehner — Thu, 24 Sep 2015 17:03:39 GMT

The pig has apparently stated that she still has the blue dress she was wearing at the time - which she says will confirm that DC was the guilty man.

DC: 'I did not have sex with that pig!'.

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Malcolm Ness — Thu, 24 Sep 2015 16:29:30 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"] Evelyn Actually, I'm inclined to forgive you - but not him - simply because of the age difference. I'm assuming you had your children when world population was < 5 billion. He had his last when world population was 7 billion. Some people don't want children, some want them but can't have them, so the occasional individual having 4 wasn't such a big issue when the world could still cope, as long as the overall population remained static. Now that it's become an urgent necesity to reduce population, then having > 2 children is a far worse thing.[/quote]

Can I remind everyone that this thread is about allegations that David Cameron had sex with a dead pig - something that was never likely to result in offspring.

It seems, therefore, that the man's "green" credentials are intact!!

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Rob Davis — Thu, 24 Sep 2015 16:11:25 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]Evelyn Actually, I'm inclined to forgive you - but not him - simply because of the age difference. I'm assuming you had your children when world population was < 5 billion. He had his last when world population was 7 billion. Some people don't want children, some want them but can't have them, so the occasional individual having 4 wasn't such a big issue when the world could still cope, as long as the overall population remained static. Now that it's become an urgent necesity to reduce population, then having > 2 children is a far worse thing.[/quote]

My four were born between 1998 and 2002..... am I to be condemned to room 101?

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Francisco Gomez — Thu, 24 Sep 2015 10:24:49 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]

Francisco

In that (very) hypothetical situation, the answer would be yes.

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I imagine, that the answer is further evolution of societies across the globe: The world will become more diverse and more borderless as it advances, despite of some franctically wanting to keep themselves in a 'pure' bubble (here in the West for starters, but also elsewhere). And that doesn't mean that any heritage: language, culture, tradition or monument needs to be lost. But, as Arlo points out, a more homogeneous level of QOL and more equality between the people that live here, will eventually lead to a more stable population levels.

Alternatively, we can all donate http://www.spaceindustrynews.com/how-to-donate-to-nasa/ and find another planet to destroy ;-)

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ruths — Thu, 24 Sep 2015 10:01:07 GMT

[quote user="Mark Hedberg"]

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]

Sorry, sorry, Wynne, but I brought my children up wicked. I shall soon have eight grandchildren.

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I can just imagine you as a kindly old grump of a grandpa giving your grandkids piggyback rides

[/quote] and making sure they brush their teeth

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Thu, 24 Sep 2015 09:58:22 GMT

Francisco

In that (very) hypothetical situation, the answer would be yes. The situation would be no different to that in pre about 1920 Europe. The excess population simply sailed away to America. Then America started to experience an unemployment problem, so drastically reduced immigration. The planet has no easily accessible "America"

Evelyn I make it 2 each- which is tolerable. If one of them had 3 (given current population pressures) then I'd be very disapproving

Wynne

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Michael Woodhouse — Thu, 24 Sep 2015 09:55:00 GMT

[quote user="Mark Hedberg"]I can just imagine you as a kindly old grump of a grandpa giving your grandkids piggyback rides [/quote]

But not sweets, because they are bad for their teeth? ;)

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Mark Hedberg — Thu, 24 Sep 2015 09:54:18 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]

Sorry, sorry, Wynne, but I brought my children up wicked. I shall soon have eight grandchildren.

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I can just imagine you as a kindly old grump of a grandpa giving your grandkids piggyback rides

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Francisco Gomez — Thu, 24 Sep 2015 09:15:39 GMT

[quote user="Arlo Guthrie"]

The only way we perhaps differ is in how to stop population growth. One argument is that as countries become more advanced, their populations naturally drop, and this change will naturally cause the population of the world to peak within a tolerable level before it starts to fall back.

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Come on man! That was my line!

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Arlo Guthrie — Thu, 24 Sep 2015 09:13:44 GMT

[quote user="Francisco Gomez"]Wynne, In the very hypothetical scenario where we find another planet where we can live and travelling there and back is achievable... Will that change your views regarding immigration and human population in this one?[/quote]

Have to say, I am right there with Wynne on the human population. Clearly there are finite resources, and yet no politician seems willing to acknowledge, let alone address that fact - perhaps because people think they have an inalienable right to have as many children (not to mention pets!) as they want, and challenging that is not a great vote winner. Not to mention the fact that the capitalist system is based on the idea of growth, which is hard to achieve with a declining population.

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Francisco Gomez — Thu, 24 Sep 2015 08:57:03 GMT

Wynne, In the very hypothetical scenario where we find another planet where we can live and travelling there and back is achievable... Will that change your views regarding immigration and human population in this one?

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Thu, 24 Sep 2015 01:58:15 GMT

Sorry, sorry, Wynne, but I brought my children up wicked. I shall soon have eight grandchildren.

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Wed, 23 Sep 2015 18:37:51 GMT

Gillian I care very very deeply for the future of all species on this planet. Unless humans accept that there's only room for a finite number of us,then the future will be far scarier than either you or I can imagine. The 1st step in solving any problem is to admit it is a problem, then have a rationaldiscussion about how best to solve it.

Wynne

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Gillian Mostyn — Wed, 23 Sep 2015 18:21:32 GMT

(I was just joking!!)

Wynne. Your world is a scarier place than any future I can imagine.

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Wed, 23 Sep 2015 18:12:50 GMT

When Evelyn had his children, yes. Now, no. My allocation are needed to remain unborn, so the population reduces to a non-polluting level. Accept that the excessive numbers of humans are damaging the planet,and you accept that total numbers must reduce. There's only 1 way of achieving this - have more deaths than births. There's 2 ways of achievingthis, reduce births, or increase deaths. You decide which is preferrable, but your children's generation will have tochose 1 of the 2

Wynne

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Gillian Mostyn — Wed, 23 Sep 2015 18:07:25 GMT

Can Cameron not just have your allocation Wynne?

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Wed, 23 Sep 2015 18:05:04 GMT

Evelyn Actually, I'm inclined to forgive you - but not him - simply because of the age difference. I'm assuming you had your children when world population was < 5 billion. He had his last when world population was 7 billion. Some people don't want children, some want them but can't have them, so the occasional individual having 4 wasn't such a big issue when the world could still cope, as long as the overall population remained static. Now that it's become an urgent necesity to reduce population, then having > 2 children is a far worse thing.

Luca I'd have been none the wiser. I'd have wondered "stash of what?

Wynne"

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Wed, 23 Sep 2015 17:41:53 GMT

I'm awfully sorry, Wynne, I have four children. We can never speak again.

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Luca Poddighe — Wed, 23 Sep 2015 17:22:47 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]He was in a panic, because it had eaten grass, I couldn't work out why! He then said weed I asked which weed? Eventually I realised he was talking about cannabis.[/quote]

He was in panic because he found that the dog had eaten his stash.

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Bob Russell — Wed, 23 Sep 2015 16:45:52 GMT

[quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]

I know Bob Russell...it is scary. I do still think that restricting access is not the way to go, but I can understand your reaction.

From a very young age I've told my children to assume, until proven otherwise, that any stranger on the internet is a hairy, sweaty, middle aged man who is sat in his pants pretending to be a teenager. (Apologies to all sweaty middle aged men!).

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Been there done that. At one stage I gave a very graphic account of what many of the friends and followers where and what they were doing!

To some degree what you don't know cannot hurt you but doing what seems right is not a guarantee that kids will understand or choose to take notice!

Boys are much, much easier!!! Plenty for them to look at on the internet that would devastate my parents but water off a ducks back to most of us!

The dangerous ones online are offering understanding and true love to crazy mixed up kids trying to be grown up!

RE: Hameron - did he do it?

Hannah Wynne Richards — Wed, 23 Sep 2015 16:33:39 GMT

Arlo and Ruths.

As far as I'm aware, I've only twice actually met anyone who was on drugs at the time. Bizzarely, both occasions were in court. I was apppearing as a professional witness for the RSPCA, and on both occasions the defendant turned up drugged. I was highly indignant that although the police were in the building,they turned a blind eye to the crime being committed in front oftheir eyes - just ignored it, because they only arrest people for supplying. I was even more indignant that both were on benefits, so taxpayers were being robbed to keep them! I certainly don't consider illegal drug use to be a trivial crime.

I did once have a totally surreal late-night telephone conversation with a man who phoned to say his dog had eaten grass. I (farmer's daughter) thought he was talking about the green stuff that cows eat, so explained patiently that all dogs ate grass occasionally - it just meant they were feeling sick. He was in a panic, because it had eaten grass, I couldn't work out why! He then said weed I asked which weed? Eventually I realised he was talking about cannabis.

Clare Perhaps it's a pity that the pig was dead - otherwise it might have prevented Cameron from damaging the planet by excessive reproduction.

Wynne

PS Probs. I was going to buy "Call me Dave" a toy pig for a Christmas present. Do you lot think I'd better get something else?