sharp needles

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patrick murphy — Mon, 21 Sep 2015 18:17:01 GMT

where do you find your monoject?

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Sat, 19 Sep 2015 14:46:56 GMT

I'm with you on this one Evelyn I can't stand winged cannulae.

Wynne

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Sat, 19 Sep 2015 14:42:39 GMT

Funny how personal preferences go. I find wings make the thing too clumsy and securing more difficult. Just a personal thing.

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Gillian Mostyn — Sat, 19 Sep 2015 11:44:24 GMT

Pass tape under and then over the canula. Easy!

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Martin Atkinson — Sat, 19 Sep 2015 10:16:58 GMT

I prefer winged IV cannulae and they are surprisingly hard to find. Braun Introcan fit the bill since I can't get Vasocan but have some unwinged Terumo Intracan at present. They're sharp enough but they're not winged and the catheter slips off the stylet too easily. How does anyone securely fasten unwinged cannulae to the animal?

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Fri, 18 Sep 2015 15:52:05 GMT

[quote user="Catriona MacIntyre"] intravenous cannula brands[/quote]

Very happy with Abbott.

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Bob Russell — Fri, 18 Sep 2015 15:07:17 GMT

It seems we have a mix of the two types of needles. Not noticed any particular difference!

Ours come from Brosch Direct which is more 'human' directed.

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Rob Loxley — Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:34:56 GMT

[quote user="Catriona MacIntyre"]We are in the process of switching intravenous cannula brands and sudden problems with one brand that previously had been fine[/quote]

we've gone back to Jelco from Terumo recently

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Kirsten Simpson — Fri, 18 Sep 2015 09:02:52 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]

No probs with Millpledge

Wynne

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I second this. We had the same problem with the Terumo changing to Agani and found them awful to get samples from cats. Tried a few different brands (Kruuse, were bad as well) and settled on Millpledge which is still fab just now.

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Catriona MacIntyre — Thu, 17 Sep 2015 18:38:54 GMT

We are in the process of switching intravenous cannula brands and sudden problems with one brand that previously had been fine.

With needles I think we stick to Terumo or Monoject

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Thu, 17 Sep 2015 09:01:39 GMT

No probs with Millpledge

Wynne

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Alan Tevendale — Thu, 17 Sep 2015 08:20:16 GMT

I had a batch of Terumo Agani needles a few months ago that were terrible. Difficulty getting blood samples and dogs being far more reactive. I spoke to NVS about this and they replaced them for me. We're still using them and haven't had any problems since.

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Thu, 17 Sep 2015 01:34:29 GMT

I've just looked at what I use and I find they are mostly BD, but some are Pic (which the wholesaler for some reason calls Art). Anyway, they are both fine.

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nikki — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 23:06:28 GMT

We got sent the Agani in replacement for Neolus and they were terrible! Back on Neolus again now thankfully. Don't seem to have any probs getting hold of them at the moment.

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Laurence Webb — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 22:10:14 GMT

Terumo have 2 brands - Agani and Neolus.

The Neolus were the orrignial ones, made from (I think) Japanese steel and really sharp. They then changed to Agani, made in China, which were as sharp as Mark Thatcher. You can still get hold of Neolus ones from some suppliers (IMS have some, as did Vet Direct) but they are running thin. The Agani have improved but are still no where as sharp as the Neolus. I used one for a blood sample yesterday and the amount of force required to get it through the skin was surprising and some of them still have burrs on them.

Trogue, to my mind, are a bit better than Terumo Agani but still a lot worse than Terumo Neolus. I didn't order them in (a nurse did looking for a cheaper alternative) but I won't get them back again. A couple of years ago a colleague had the needle become detatched from the hub and it had to be surgically removed from a dog. Fortunately it was a friend's dog so they took the unexpected operation quite well.

We are currently trying Nipro, from IMS. They are made from Japanese steel and, so far, seem to be working well although we have only been using them for a few days.

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Linda Filshie — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 21:37:00 GMT

The Agani ones were bloody terrible for a while a few months back - it felt as if every cat for a blood sample was a battered old tom with leather for skin. They seem to be ok again now though.

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Miriam Lodewyks — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 20:48:26 GMT

I'm sure we had a batch a couple of months ago that were blunt or barbed. We went so far as to write the brands down and eventually decided Monoject and Terumo were ok, so we've stuck with them.

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Utlendigur — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 20:39:36 GMT

I think one of the brands changed their manufacturer - I'm pretty sure the needles were Agani but the packaging livery was the same as the original (better) ones. There was a definite difference particularly with the 23g which seemed blunt and you had to put more pressure on to get it through the skin, which tended to push the vein out of the way, and at other times they tended to snag on the way out. One of our nurses said they'd heard there had been quite a few complaints about them, so they may have changed back again now as I haven't noticed it recently.

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Glenn Hodgson — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 19:57:32 GMT

Terumo can pull blood from small fast moving aggressive stones. IMO

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 19:02:24 GMT

Dunno, Terumo are OK for me.

I had trouble once with every needle apparently being blunt or barbed: traced it to a member of staff and the action of her hand in unsheathing the needle, which bent the tip slightly against the sheath every time.

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Martin Atkinson — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 18:49:31 GMT

I have no problem with Terumo. I just wonder how much of it is workmen blaming their tools.

I am more concerned by the number of pre-loaded vaccine syringes that come with blunt/barbed needles!