Tumour of the day....

Re: Tumour of the day....

Thomas Johnson — Fri, 05 Jun 2015 12:39:24 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]

Not necessarily, how often have we had owners taking their animals in extreme discomfit home because they want the poor creature to "die naturally"?

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In my experience this is very rare, it's years since I've had anyone do it.

Re: Tumour of the day....

Neil Wheadon — Fri, 05 Jun 2015 10:17:10 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]Not necessarily, how often have we had owners taking their animals in extreme discomfit home because they want the poor creature to "die naturally"?[/quote]

Not often, I can think of maybe 1 case in the past 5 years. Charity clinics are the worst for this as the client has nothing to lose as they aren't paying anything, and if they say the classic 'Is there any chance at all' it's tough to say no. However I have told clients that they are causing suffering by allowing an animal to linger, but you need to be really firm with them (charity cases)

There is a difference between lecturing a client on presentation and talking them through the options when they are undecided.

Neil

Re: Tumour of the day....

Anthony Todd — Fri, 05 Jun 2015 09:39:55 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]I suspect it was the classical case of the owner not bringing the pet in because they're scared we will say it has to be PTS and or/tell them off so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.[/quote]

Not necessarily, how often have we had owners taking their animals in extreme discomfit home because they want the poor creature to "die naturally"?

This is a thread that needs the star system so the public can see vets' concern for this sort of neglect.

Re: Tumour of the day....

Neil Wheadon — Fri, 05 Jun 2015 09:23:32 GMT

I agree with this

For every 1 presented, how many others are disposed of in an inhumane way?

How many small mammals do we actually euthanise? I can't believe all the others die naturally, especially when rat tumours are so common.

Quick start soaked in cotton wool and placed in a sealed box is used by Hamster breeders for example.

I never get cross with these presentations, it's counterproductive and as Martin says, they are often/always embarrassed and a lecture from a gray haired professional is the last thing they want.

Neil

Re: Tumour of the day....

Martin Atkinson — Fri, 05 Jun 2015 09:13:47 GMT

[quote user="grumpyoldman"]2 questions :1. has this pet suffered and if so how long ? 2. Was this client aware that this pet was suffering and ignoring it or are they completely stupid?.[/quote] The rat was brought in by the owner's mother. When asked how old the daughter was she said 28! Mother was very embarrassed and said she would not allow her daughter to keep another pet. I didn't enquire further into the home circumstances.

I suspect it was the classical case of the owner not bringing the pet in because they're scared we will say it has to be PTS and or/tell them off so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Re: Tumour of the day....

grumpyoldman — Thu, 04 Jun 2015 23:55:34 GMT

2 questions :1. has this pet suffered and if so how long ? 2. Was this client aware that this pet was suffering and ignoring it or are they completely stupid?.There is no point in involving the rspca prosecuting stupid people for being stupid but with a bit of luck a visit and a few harsh words from an inspector may discourage them from having another pet they are not going to look after properly. You can only take the high moral ground if you euthanise it FOC then involve the RSPCA. We see this kind of disaster unfolding all the time , bitches with mammary masses excoriated and infected by dragging on the floor ,the "client" blaming the PDSA for withdrawing their qualification after someone in the house got a job and the bennys changed. Its usually covered in a bath towel and they usually want you to examine it in the back of the car outside because they are too embarrassed to bring it into the waiting room where the other clients will see it. The other view is that what ever you do ,it will not stop them having another pet, but reporting them and causing an incident will mean the next rotting pet disaster will just get left to die slowly locked in a shed or an outside toilet. So just biting your lip and getting on with it may not always be a bad thing .

Re: Tumour of the day....

Robin Grimmer — Thu, 04 Jun 2015 20:30:02 GMT

[quote user="bob lehner"]

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

[quote user="ruths"] you can't see the legs just the feet and he could not use his front legs presumably he just sledged on the tumour using his hind legs to push.

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Reminds me of this well-known illustration from one of my parasitology text books - not a tumour (dirofilariasis) - but a good contender in the big/bigger/biggest competition....

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Reminds me of:

Re: Tumour of the day....

ruths — Thu, 04 Jun 2015 19:47:08 GMT

Sadly, you can't unsee things -)

Re: Tumour of the day....

bob lehner — Thu, 04 Jun 2015 19:24:04 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

[quote user="ruths"] you can't see the legs just the feet and he could not use his front legs presumably he just sledged on the tumour using his hind legs to push.

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Reminds me of this well-known illustration from one of my parasitology text books - not a tumour (dirofilariasis) - but a good contender in the big/bigger/biggest competition....

Re: Tumour of the day....

Stephen Courtney — Wed, 03 Jun 2015 20:55:40 GMT

I once saw rat with a mammary tumour the size of a very large grapefruit, and stuck on the side was this shrivelled, emaciated, cachectic, wretched creature, clearly had not been able to move for months...

It was a Christmas day too, and the owner didn't want it to suffer. I just bit my lip and did the necessary......wondering why it hadn't been suffering in the previous weeks

Re: Tumour of the day....

Martin Atkinson — Wed, 03 Jun 2015 17:11:24 GMT

[quote user="ruths"]His RF is just resting on top.[/quote] Left the same, you can't see the legs just the feet and he could not use his front legs presumably he just sledged on the tumour using his hind legs to push.

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ruths — Wed, 03 Jun 2015 17:05:47 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

[quote user="Francisco Gomez"]I wouldn't be too happy if I knew a competition like that was going on and my vet was involved.[/quote]I think you are being a little overly PC here Franciso. Maybe if the word competition was changed for comparison you would be happier.

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I once found a whole section of a conversation from here on the internet. It was about mcirochipping. None of the names of the posters were redacted.Arlo dealt with it.

But, I agree that nothing we say on here should be thought of as secret.

And that's one hell of a tumour - poor little rat. His RF is just resting on top.

-((((

Re: Tumour of the day....

Bob Russell — Wed, 03 Jun 2015 13:24:32 GMT

If you pixilate the face it should be fine!

Re: Tumour of the day....

Martin Atkinson — Wed, 03 Jun 2015 13:05:34 GMT

Re: Tumour of the day....

Francisco Gomez — Wed, 03 Jun 2015 12:22:59 GMT

[quote]How about we start a 'my tumour is bigger than yours' competition.

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I wouldn't be too happy if I knew a competition like that was going on and my vet was involved... Bear in mind that although the sites is only for vets, it is not 100% safe and things can go into social media pretty quickly...

Re: Tumour of the day....

Martin Atkinson — Wed, 03 Jun 2015 11:58:46 GMT

[quote user="Dagmar Steele"]No Martin, I can beat that. [/quote] How about we start a 'my tumour is bigger than yours' competition. But first here's another view:

Re: Tumour of the day....

Dagmar Steele — Wed, 03 Jun 2015 10:48:22 GMT

No Martin, I can beat that. Not sure if I can find the photographs right now... Poor thing, what a hard life that must have been.

Re: Tumour of the day....

Hannah Wynne Richards — Wed, 03 Jun 2015 10:40:04 GMT

Poor little rat. I bet it grew quickly as well.

Wynne