Work Related Injury

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mariette asselbergs — Mon, 18 May 2015 16:10:01 GMT

They don't take working pensioner age people, whether you do have a pension or not.....

Mariette

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Mon, 18 May 2015 15:56:17 GMT

It could be different if you are an employee. I don't know.

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Bob Russell — Mon, 18 May 2015 14:20:53 GMT

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Who provides that? I tried BVA recommended Lloyds and they wouldn't hear of it....

Mariette

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Lloyd and White/BVA.

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mariette asselbergs — Mon, 18 May 2015 14:13:11 GMT

Who provides that? I tried BVA recommended Lloyds and they wouldn't hear of it....

Mariette

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Fri, 15 May 2015 18:34:17 GMT

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Problem for people over retirement age (60 for women), is: you cannot get income protection insurance because they only pay until age of retirement. A bit of a catch 22...... How do other older vets solve this risk? Or doyou just chan ce it?

Mariette

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That's true of the longterm non-cancellable insurance. The logic is presumably that if you got an injury that prevented you from working for a very long time you'd be better off just retiring anyway. And i have to just accept that.

Of course the short-term insurance (sometimes called "locum insurance") which pays out for, I think, a year, I can keep up as long as I lke. So if seriously injured or diseased I'd have a year to think about things.

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mariette asselbergs — Fri, 15 May 2015 17:38:19 GMT

Mariette

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Martin Atkinson — Fri, 08 May 2015 17:42:40 GMT

I think this is where we are singularly different from most other occupations. If a builder falls of scaffolding because it was inadequate or a worker in a factory is injured by an improperly guarded piece of equipment or because proper safety equipment wasn't provided then it is due to the negligence of the employer. But we accept there is an intrinsic risk handling animals because of their unpredictability and it is your responsibility to check the muzzle was on properly or the cow was adequately restrained. If however your student nurse got bitten because you didn't train her to restrain an animal correctly or the dog got its muzzle off and bit her when you knew the muzzle wasn't fitted properly then would probably be a different case.

However, practices legally have to be insured for employers liability which would cover scenarios where it can be shown it was their negligence but it might take a long time before it was settled and you may like some insurance in the meantime.

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mariette asselbergs — Fri, 08 May 2015 16:01:24 GMT

Just out of curiosity: if you get badly bitten by a dog while consulting (e g dog managed to get muzzle off and didn't hesitate for 2 seconds), or if you break your arm while TB testing, who should pay the costs for being off work? Are practices normally insured for this? Or should every vet, even when employed, have private lost-income insurance?

And what if it happens to the student nurse while holding a dog for the vet?

Mariette

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Martin Atkinson — Wed, 06 May 2015 12:25:53 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Dennison"]The vets I know will all go in to work when many of our non-vet friends wouldn't, [/quote]I suspect that it is lot to do with the reasons we do this job including responsibility, dedication and care. I never had a single day off sickness or injury when I was an employee although there were probably some times I could/should have done.

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Anthony Dennison — Wed, 06 May 2015 11:46:36 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]I wonder how many practice owners manage to work with illness/injury when the same problem would have sidelined an employee?[/quote]

I don't think that's just practice owners. The vets I know will all go in to work when many of our non-vet friends wouldn't, and the non-vets struggle to understand why we do it.

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Martin Atkinson — Wed, 06 May 2015 09:46:28 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]I wonder how many back injuries occur outside work but become off-workable at work?[/quote]I wonder how many practice owners manage to work with illness/injury when the same problem would have sidelined an employee?

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Anthony Todd — Tue, 05 May 2015 17:40:11 GMT

Tee Hee I worked with a guy [SF] a long time ago who was off work for a week or so with a "bad back" but could, and was, water skiing daily....

Jump starts, one ski, off the beach an' all.

Boss was somewhat unimpressed.....

I wonder how many back injuries occur outside work but become off-workable at work?

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Martin Atkinson — Tue, 05 May 2015 16:41:59 GMT

[quote user="Robin Grimmer"]

Re the op, am I alone in thinking that employees should have some duty of care in lifting things and not rely on employers to provide hoists and fancy tables? A bit of common sense is all that is required. Also imo many back problems are caused by weak core muscles as mentioned and working on these can help prevent back problems.

[/quote]No you're not - I've already said it.

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Mark Hedberg — Tue, 05 May 2015 13:43:51 GMT

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Fair enough - planking, here i come, I guess! (at least it's better than twerking!)

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Youtube 'Medicine Ball core workout'. Bit more to do than just planking...

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Thanks!

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Anthony Dennison — Tue, 05 May 2015 13:19:51 GMT

[quote user="Mark Hedberg"]

Fair enough - planking, here i come, I guess! (at least it's better than twerking!)

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Youtube 'Medicine Ball core workout'. Bit more to do than just planking...

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Stephen Courtney — Mon, 04 May 2015 22:23:06 GMT

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Employers have to provide training and safety equipment to help prevent injury. in this case apparently the employer has admitted negligence and , apparently, invited their employee to sue their insurer.

What a rotten employer, not just failing to take due , and legally required, diligence, but then not paying their employee...and expecting the insurer to pay the employee! Wonder if they'll get their liability insurance renewed ....

As far as I am aware, household insurance provides cover, should that option be taken, for contractual disputes, including employment disputes - so it would/ should be relatively easy to secure justice.

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Vet2Vet — Mon, 04 May 2015 14:58:52 GMT

It's where weights exceed statutory limits per person , though that there is an issue .

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Robin Grimmer — Mon, 04 May 2015 13:28:27 GMT

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Mark Hedberg — Sat, 02 May 2015 23:02:50 GMT

Fair enough - planking, here i come, I guess! (at least it's better than twerking!)

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mariette asselbergs — Fri, 01 May 2015 17:34:29 GMT

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Can you share the exercises?

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Sorry Mark, it's so long ago I can't remember. But I am sure the internet or you tube can givve you a series, probably with some nice variation. It is BORING, but really, doing them every day is the secret.

Mariette

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Anthony Dennison — Thu, 30 Apr 2015 11:22:23 GMT

I've got quite a good core strength routine that I try to do at least once a week, interval based and gets the heart going too. I slacked off it a bit and noticed more problems with my lower back recently, so back to the grind... I've got a long list of exercises that I pick from so there's a bit of variety. Some good youtube videos using medicine balls.

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Wren — Thu, 30 Apr 2015 10:01:38 GMT

[quote user="Braden Collins"]A large part of why I gave up mixed practice is due to shoulder and back pain. Between calvings, preg testing (in my first job we did up to 850/day) and the weight you have to throw around on top of doing a lot of sport I was visiting the physio fortnightly. I got to know him so well I got invited to his leaving party. We try to have multiple people lift heavy dogs but some times we far exceed what would be considered ideal. Some staff just won't slow down to get help. I've often had to tell staff off for lifting too much without help.

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I moaned to my farrier that I had spent nearly £300 on physio and chiro in the last 6 weeks or so. He told me to quit whinging - he spends £150/month, every single month, in order to keep him able to keep working. He does not have any serious injuries, that's just maintenance.

As Mariette has said above, I am going to make a conscious effort after I'm sorted this time to increase core strength and lose some weight. Will be starting some pilates and various other things. 8 weeks of relative inactivity (I'm working, but not exercising - this time last year was runing half marathons) has made me put on about half a stone and my core strength is atrocious. If you have weak abdominal muscles you use your back muscles a lot more to compensate, putting them under strain.

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Mark Hedberg — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 20:09:25 GMT

Can you share the exercises?

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mariette asselbergs — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 19:31:46 GMT

On the other hand: I acquired two slipped disks from sneezing while sitting on the floor with my legs sideways (not work related, on a social visit). I had then surgery in South Africa and was sent home to Mozambique with a list of exercises to do twice daily for a year. During the year of recovery I was allowed to lift increasingly heavier things until being allowed to lift 33 kgs by myself 8 months post op. (My own weight at the time was around 55 kgs). I did the exercises religiously because had a farm and needed to be able to lift things again. That was in 1996 and I have never looked back. Not that I would lift a 33 kg dog now, but 25 is fine with me. I think for airports the maximum weight of a suitcase is 32 kgs.

I don't want to be provocative, but in vet school at the time we were only a few girls, but already the teachers in obstetrics and large animals told us that it was the guys who would wreck there backs because they would always think they were strong enough to hold a cow, or pull a calf. We were told the tricks and how to lift and use your body in a sensible way and told to keep your core strength up by exercising. I think the fatal combination in large animal work is endless driving, time in front of the screen, and little spurts of physical exercise, not a good combination.

Mariette

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Braden Collins — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 13:11:47 GMT

A large part of why I gave up mixed practice is due to shoulder and back pain. Between calvings, preg testing (in my first job we did up to 850/day) and the weight you have to throw around on top of doing a lot of sport I was visiting the physio fortnightly. I got to know him so well I got invited to his leaving party. We try to have multiple people lift heavy dogs but some times we far exceed what would be considered ideal. Some staff just won't slow down to get help. I've often had to tell staff off for lifting too much without help.