Passport!

Re: Passport!

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Wed, 11 Mar 2015 00:04:34 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]

[quote user="Bob Russell"]Why should each possible case have to be discussed with the RCVS? [/quote]

It doesn't. Big myth.

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VDS appear to suggest that this is necessary!

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VDS naturally and quite properly give advice about butt-covering.

Re: Passport!

Bob Russell — Tue, 10 Mar 2015 11:15:46 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]

[quote user="Bob Russell"]Why should each possible case have to be discussed with the RCVS? [/quote]

It doesn't. Big myth.

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VDS appear to suggest that this is necessary!

Re: Passport!

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Mon, 09 Mar 2015 23:45:58 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]Why should each possible case have to be discussed with the RCVS? [/quote]

It doesn't. Big myth.

Re: Passport!

Bob Russell — Mon, 09 Mar 2015 15:10:58 GMT

Catching up with the Vet Records and other periodicals in a forlorn attempt to find desk under the clutter!

"Reporting illegally imported puppies" (page 178 VR February 14th 2015). My view is if you are an OV doing rabies vaccinations and passports then you have an obligation to report suspected abuses. Why should each possible case have to be discussed with the RCVS? Each puppy is a potential threat to the local population!

Isn't it time for this to be formalised by our lords and masters?

Re: Passport!

Anthony Todd — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 15:13:06 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]I hope [/quote]

I WAS JOKING, geez, lighten up, person!

[edited to the one]

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Anthony Todd — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 13:35:57 GMT

[quote user="Charlotte Marshall"]I do agree the lamination does not peel off easily.[/quote]

I wonder if keeping them warm would make it easier?

Re: Passport!

Anthony Todd — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 13:31:22 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"][quote user="Martin Atkinson"]Only mistake was not deleting as appropriate date of application or reading in item 2 section III before laminating it but I trust that won't matter.[/quote]Spoke too soon. I realised I put the 'valid until' date 3 years from the 'valid from' instead of from date of vaccination. I prepared another one and cut the corners off what I though was the old one to invalidate it and realised I'd defaced the new one. So onto the third. Checked everything was perfect then pulled out the laminating page to peel off the sticky back plastic and realised I'd pulled out the next page as well. Aaargh!!!!!! I tried to repair it with sellotape but decided it looked dodgy so that is 3 spoiled out of the first 10. I've decided to rest my brain before I attempt again or I'll be through the whole lot before I've completed a single one.[/quote]

I hope the Daily Moan doesn't access this thread; I can imagine the headline......

HIGHLY QUALIFIED, UNIVERSITY TRAINED PROFESSIONALS FAIL TO FILL IN SIMPLE FORM CORRECTLY, YET CHARGE MASSIVE FEES FOR THE EFFORT

Followed beneath by the boxed quote above and pictures plus text from a fat, disgruntled, unattractive, client holding a fat foul-tempered cat.

[Mind you Martin, just try and get a picture on your TV with BT YouView if you want something really challenging....]

Re: Passport!

Kate Richardson — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 13:30:34 GMT

[quote user="Charlotte Marshall"] Although I did one the other day and out of force of habit wrote the chip number on by hand then realised I could have used the sticker and made life easier![/quote]

That is an excellent idea! And so obvious! (assuming you are chipping at time of passport- most of mine have been done previously as a puppy)

Having bodged the first one have found it quite easy now. My laminated pages come off quite easily- maybe different batches not so easy?

Re: Passport!

Charlotte Marshall — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 12:18:41 GMT

I have not had much of a problem with the laminating myself. As I understand it, the reason that the vaccine details box is laminated is because they are assuming you have used a sticker and so it is so that the sticker does not come off. Same with the microchip page. Although I did one the other day and out of force of habit wrote the chip number on by hand then realised I could have used the sticker and made life easier!

It should also prevent the sort of thing I saw once where a vet in Germany could not read a dog's microchip at flea and worm treatment so chipped it again and stuck a sticker over the handwritten entry from before obscuring it completely and the dog happily came through customs!

I do agree the lamination does not peel off easily.

Re: Passport!

Bob Russell — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:23:44 GMT

Nice to know I am not the only one to screw these up!

I accept this will get easier but a better design would have been appreciated. Is everyone having fun peeling the small rectangles to cover the labels? They just don't want to peel off!

Re: Passport!

Rob Davis — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 19:46:21 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]FInally managed to complete and didn't find the laminating difficult[/quote]

Finally somebody has managed to do one right first time......

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]Spoke too soon. I realised I put the 'valid until' date 3 years from the 'valid from' instead of from date of vaccination. I prepared another one and cut the corners off what I though was the old one to invalidate it and realised I'd defaced the new one. So onto the third. Checked everything was perfect then pulled out the laminating page to peel off the sticky back plastic and realised I'd pulled out the next page as well. Aaargh!!!!!! I tried to repair it with sellotape but decided it looked dodgy so that is 3 spoiled out of the first 10. I've decided to rest my brain before I attempt again or I'll be through the whole lot before I've completed a single one.[/quote]

Ha ha, welcome to the club!

Arlo, can you get somebody from DEFRA to read this thread and explain why the passports are so poorly designed?

Re: Passport!

Martin Atkinson — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 18:48:28 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]Only mistake was not deleting as appropriate date of application or reading in item 2 section III before laminating it but I trust that won't matter.[/quote]Spoke too soon. I realised I put the 'valid until' date 3 years from the 'valid from' instead of from date of vaccination. I prepared another one and cut the corners off what I though was the old one to invalidate it and realised I'd defaced the new one. So onto the third. Checked everything was perfect then pulled out the laminating page to peel off the sticky back plastic and realised I'd pulled out the next page as well. Aaargh!!!!!! I tried to repair it with sellotape but decided it looked dodgy so that is 3 spoiled out of the first 10. I've decided to rest my brain before I attempt again or I'll be through the whole lot before I've completed a single one.

Re: Passport!

Joyce Whitehead — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:55:11 GMT

I've also done my first one today, took me about twice the time it used to take, but I guess I'll get quicker. We printed off the advice note but one arrived with the passports too, and we have attached it to them. It certainly helps as otherwise it would be hard to remember what to laminate and where to stamp. I still don't understand why the lamination goes over the vaccine details not the date, as surely the dates are more important.

Re: Passport!

Martin Atkinson — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:47:43 GMT

[quote user="Richard Carter"]

Did you not get APHA briefing note 11/4 and a separate letter dated 15th December? Are quite detailed what needs to be signed, covered, who can sign or do what - perhaps you should go to http://ahvla.defra.gov.uk??

[/quote]I didn't get any briefing not or letter unless it was binned without noticing but I found the directions following your link thanks, previous attempts at trawling the DEFRA website was fruitless. FInally managed to complete and didn't find the laminating difficult but getting all the information in the authorised veterinarian box in section V was a challenge. Only mistake was not deleting as appropriate date of application or reading in item 2 section III before laminating it but I trust that won't matter.

Thanks.

Re: Passport!

Richard Carter — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:04:46 GMT

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Bob Russell — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:18:22 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

Well I've finally received my 'emergency' supplies of passports, 3 weeks after an urgent phone call and in the nick of time to issue one for one client today. But there are no guidelines with them. So can we be clear on what has to be laminated:

I was about to laminate page 7 (issuing vet details), but assume now the page 6 with the animal's chip number. And the boxes with the vaccine details and vet's signature on the rabies vaccine pages or should it be the vaccine date/valid from/valid until dates? It can't be all 3.

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Hope so as I have just completed some. Good job this was brought up as, despite several people checking the first new passport, I had not signed page 7 before laminating it by mistake!! As I read it none of the boxes need to be laminated if the vaccine details are hand-written. Only if a label is applied. I wrote the vaccine details in the corrected book but still laminated it in case!

Might just laminate the other pages as well!

Re: Passport!

Martin Atkinson — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:08:46 GMT

I was about to laminate page 7 (issuing vet details), but assume now that it should be page 6 with the animal's chip number. And the boxes with the vaccine details and vet's signature on the rabies vaccine pages or should it be the vaccine date/valid from/valid until dates? It can't be all 3.

Re: Passport!

Bob Russell — Mon, 23 Feb 2015 10:59:22 GMT

[quote user="Stephen Courtney"]

I don't see why you would need more film, as there are enough little bits to cover all the rabies vaccine slots. or have I miscounted?

Personally i think the page devoted to the vet who completed animal identification page should also be laminated.

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The film I ordered on eBay can be cut to size easily using the lines on the back. It goes straight on to the page bubble free, first time. I cannot be bothered with the included stuff so will leave it in the book in future. Much less stressful so worth the few extra pence!

I also laminated the wrong page first time! I though I had been so careful!!

Re: Passport!

Anthony Todd — Mon, 23 Feb 2015 08:59:51 GMT

Dunno why you lot are moaning, all you need to do is buy one of these:

http://www.diletta.com/EN/products.htm

Shouldn't cost more than a few thousand....

I'm sure the DEFRA "designer" just said

"Well, the personal passport is laminated, no problem; and vets are supposed to be qualified...."

Re: Passport!

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Sun, 22 Feb 2015 23:54:36 GMT

Maybe the bloke who designed the passport should be laminated.

Re: Passport!

Stephen Courtney — Sun, 22 Feb 2015 21:56:21 GMT

[quote user="Gerry Henry"]

[quote user="Stephen Courtney"]

I don't see why you would need more film, as there are enough little bits to cover all the rabies vaccine slots. or have I miscounted?

Personally i think the page devoted to the vet who completed animal identification page should also be laminated.

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It is, that's why the laminated tear off sheet in right next to it ... or have I laminated the wrong page?

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Yup. Wrong page.

Re: Passport!

Kate Richardson — Sun, 22 Feb 2015 18:25:57 GMT

Having done my first passport the other day I am now wondering if I should recall it and re-issue another- I filled it all in correctly, but when I put the full page laminated sheet onto the microchip number page I hadn't lined it up quite straight and it touched the bottom corner of the page and when I pulled it off it took the surface of the page with it. Only a small area but some of the print as well but related to the tattoo number (which this dog doesn't have anyway). Anyway, I lined it up straight and applied it so the print in the bottom left corner is askew and then had to sellotape the bottom corner of the page on both sides to hold that corner of the page together. (Sounds like a right bodge job even as I type!!) Anyway all the relevant details are visible anf clear and not obscured by my faux pas, but I am now wondering if I should recall it and do a perfect job on it. Woke up in the night worried about it!!

I will call defra but would anyone like to comment if I should quit worrying or not!

Re: Passport!

Charlotte Marshall — Sun, 22 Feb 2015 17:54:11 GMT

[quote user="Gerry Henry"]

It is, that's why the laminated tear off sheet in right next to it ... or have I laminated the wrong page?

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The full page lamination sheet is supposed to be for the page with the microchip details on.

Re: Passport!

Joyce Whitehead — Fri, 20 Feb 2015 20:10:34 GMT

Did anyone else get an email today about faulty passports where the number on the cover doesn't match the one in the inner sheet of the passport? We fortunately haven't issued any yet, and the ones in stock are fine.

Re: Passport!

Thomas Johnson — Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:51:06 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]

Plus genuine errors of course!

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Going back to the days of the blood test and 6 month wait I worked in a practice that did the work for a quarantine kennel. A vet in Norway had microchipped, vaccinated and blood tested the dog all on the same day. I guess it musty have had a previous rabies vaccine as it had a titre over 0.5. It was picked up on entry to the UK and spent the next 6 months in quarantine, I'm assuming the Norwegian equivalent of the VDS paid the quarantine charges.