Vet jobs I don't want

Re: Vet jobs I don't want

Thomas Johnson — Wed, 01 Oct 2014 18:45:02 GMT

[quote user="Julian Earl"]

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A well written and very good description, and exactly how I do it!

Re: Vet jobs I don't want

Julian Earl — Wed, 01 Oct 2014 18:00:14 GMT

[quote user="J G Wray"]

[quote user="Julian Earl"] I 've thought of filming it and posting it ON YOU-TUBE.. [/quote]

It's already there

http://www.icatcare.org/advice/how-guides/giving-cat-tablet-hiding-tablet-treat

and this for feline friendly handling tachniques

http://www.icatcare.org/sites/default/files/PDF/ffhg-english.pdf

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hat's one way to do it, but the better more reliable way for a cat that won't eat etc. isthis as follows, first, I always make a point of stroking the cats head and chin before and after sthis following procedure..., hopefully to create a nice association with the procedure of holding their head...?

oUuse your non-dominant hand, left for me, and take a firm but comfy grip over the top of thehead, while you stand to the right of the sitting cat[ i.e.= the side of your -dominant hand] , and have first fingertip and thumb tip at the commisures of the lips. Your 3rd and 4th fingers extend loosely down the occipital-region between the ears, and crucially, gently roll the head backwards so the nose points at the sky and stars, vertically. You don't try lifting the head, the cat will struggle as it thinks you're trying to pull the head off, no, roll it gently through 90 degrees or so, and when vertical the mouth starts to open, exposing the lower incisors. If you have the tablet in the fingertips of your other hand, [1st finger and thumb, you can use your 2nd finger to pull the jaw open gently using the small gap between the upper/lower incisors. When the nose is pointing upwards, most cats will comfortably sit with their nose up, hmouth open for several minutes if necessary... Some cats are wise and need a second prson holding them around the shoulders to stop them fending you off with their front paws but most are okay if you are slick enough.

The key is the gentle rolling of the head back over your 3rd/4th fingers at the ociput, and the mouth opening should be easy. Then, of course, you can see the U-shaped notch formed by the back of the tongue and that is where you aim to drop the tablet. Then let the jawand head free, the cat shuts the mouth, licks its lips, and you can re-open the mouth to show that licking the lips means reflex swalloping has occurred. ~Then stand back and receive the plaudits from the owners. Cats can get wise and fed up but I had my 18-years-old cat with CKD on benazapril and sometimes Periactin plus antibiotics now and again for four years; he was awonderfully docile affectionate cat and never struggled or ran away once.If you miss the bullseye of the notch at the back of the tongue and the tablet drops to the side or too far forwards, then it will then be spat out. Next time is harder because the tablet is sticky and sticks to your fingertips when you try and let it go! I promise you this is the correct way to dose a cat without needing food etc.

Re: Vet jobs I don't want

Francisco Gomez — Wed, 01 Oct 2014 15:27:33 GMT

[quote user="Arlo Guthrie"]

I'd like to see a video that shows how fast you can pill a cat.

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Granted!

http://youtu.be/ZMV3RGtH2gg

The owners said Jack doesn't like to be picked up and rapidly backed away when I was about to start.

Re: Vet jobs I don't want

Anthony Dennison — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 16:46:31 GMT

[quote user="Tricia Goulden"]

Oh good, you can choose a comfy chair & do Cleo's claws when you're here!

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No Mum, Cleo isn't a normal cat.

Re: Vet jobs I don't want

Sammy82 — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 20:47:30 GMT

Me too, if there is a chair and the cat is happy to sit on my lap. As mentionend before it's important to be gentle will old arthritic cats and lift the legs as little as possible, same goes for dogs (not putting them on my knee though)

Re: Vet jobs I don't want

mariette asselbergs — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 20:17:30 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Dennison"]

[quote user="Louise Alexander"] I will often sit on a chair and have the cat on my lap to clip claws, works very well.[/quote]

I do this, works a treat.

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And me

Mariette

Re: Vet jobs I don't want

Tricia Goulden — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 19:21:59 GMT

Oh good, you can choose a comfy chair & do Cleo's claws when you're here!

Re: Vet jobs I don't want

Anthony Dennison — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 16:55:07 GMT

[quote user="Louise Alexander"] I will often sit on a chair and have the cat on my lap to clip claws, works very well.[/quote]

I do this, works a treat.

Re: Vet jobs I don't want

Louise6732 — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 16:46:07 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]

[quote user="Julian Earl"]Okay, xome semi-ferals are risky to handle, but it is all about correct approach and handling for most. [/quote]

I was swiped this morning trying to clip a cat's claws. Gave it time to acclimatise, fussed it, still swiped me. I stand by my comments.

I've been injured by more cats than all the other animals I deal with added together. I stand by my earlier comment - I hate the disease ridden bastards!

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I agree sometimes you can't always manage what you need to do with some cats. BUT I still maintain that the less is more approach (and you must be relaxed or they'll sense this!) works. I will often sit on a chair and have the cat on my lap to clip claws, works very well. The one thing I've noticed about clipping claws is often they are older cats, so often they are stiff/arthritic, and most people just pull the leg out to the side, instead of lifting the paw, ie minimal involvement from me means the cat doesn't think I'm doing anything. Sometimes if the cat is on the table, I don't even lift or touch the feet at all!

Anyway, I suspect Michael and I will never agree, but I'd love for him to have a go at the 'cat on the lap' technique to clip nails :-D

Louise

Re: Vet jobs I don't want

Robin Grimmer — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 16:05:49 GMT

I reckon I can worm > 90% of cats that I see in the clinic. (There are some that are complete no-goes that I wouldn't even attempt - but usually it's fairly clear on the notes). I prefer to avoid pill givers if I can and usually restrain the cat myself, bum towards me, hold the head with left hand and use right hand to open the mouth and pop the pill. I find you are less likely to get scratched from this angle). I prefer Milbemax as it's a nice small tablet - 1/2 for <4kg, whole one for > 4kg.

Re: Vet jobs I don't want

Thomas Johnson — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 15:44:23 GMT

[quote user="Mark Hedberg"]

[quote user="Thomas Johnson"]

I agree, I can get a tablet into the vast majority of cats at the surgery, but the element of surprise is very important, but sometimes getting the second Drontal tablet into a 7kg cat can be much harder than the first. Thankfully my own cat is relatively straight forward for me to tablet at home, so giving her a course of antibiotics hasn't been a problem.

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Is this a bad time to point out that Drontal XL is a one-pill dewormer for extra large cats?

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You'll note that I said 7kg, Drontal Cat XL does cats up to 6kg.

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Wren — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 11:58:57 GMT

[quote user="Mark Hedberg"]

Is this a bad time to point out that Drontal XL is a one-pill dewormer for extra large cats?

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Or that Profender is a spot-on that does the same job? (I too am unable to worm my own cat - I can do every other cat in the universe but not my own. She's an utter witch. So I don't).

Is this the right time to relaunch my flagging campaign against the use of 'pill' as a verb? It is almost as bad as 'medal' used as a verb, but when we're between Olympics that one seems to drop off a bit.

Re: Vet jobs I don't want

Mark Hedberg — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 11:53:44 GMT

[quote user="Thomas Johnson"]

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Is this a bad time to point out that Drontal XL is a one-pill dewormer for extra large cats?

Re: Vet jobs I don't want

Thomas Johnson — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 10:55:54 GMT

[quote user="Neil Wheadon"]

Cats in a surgery situation are fine, if you handle them gently. Giving tablets can be a doddle in the vast majority of cases, as you have the element of surprise and being first on your side, but giving a tablet to a cat on its own turf is a completely different matter and thought should be given to the owner especially one who lives on their own.

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Re: Vet jobs I don't want

Arlo Guthrie — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 09:43:56 GMT

[quote user="Julian Earl"]I 've thought of filming it and posting it ON YOU-TUBE..[/quote]

[quote user="patrick murphy"]you tube yes[/quote]

Julian, please do! Actually, if you want to film something, and email it to me, I'll happily edit and add your logo etc.

[quote user="J G Wray"][quote user="Julian Earl"] I 've thought of filming it and posting it ON YOU-TUBE.. [/quote]

It's already there

http://www.icatcare.org/advice/how-guides/giving-cat-tablet-hiding-tablet-treat

and this for feline friendly handling tachniques

http://www.icatcare.org/sites/default/files/PDF/ffhg-english.pdf [/quote]

Interesting link JGW. The second one I've been sent which demonstrates how to pill-pop a cat.

And the thing about both of the ones I have seen is that they are both TOO LONG!

To be fair, the ICC video you linked to is better. But it's still laboriously slow! Videos that are too long, and info sheets that are too detailed only serve to emphasise the complexity of the job.

I'd like to see a video that shows how fast you can pill a cat.

In fact, how about we do a VS vox-pop type video showing half a dozen of you pilling cats in the fastest possible time.

Anyone interested? If so, have someone film you pilling a cat from start to finish (ie popping the pill in the treat and presenting it to the cat). We could make a competition of it, and 'fastest piller in the west' gets a bottle of champagne. email your video to support@vetsurgeon.org

Re: Vet jobs I don't want

J G Wray — Sun, 28 Sep 2014 15:06:35 GMT

[quote user="Julian Earl"] I 've thought of filming it and posting it ON YOU-TUBE.. [/quote]

It's already there

http://www.icatcare.org/advice/how-guides/giving-cat-tablet-hiding-tablet-treat

and this for feline friendly handling tachniques

http://www.icatcare.org/sites/default/files/PDF/ffhg-english.pdf

Re: Vet jobs I don't want

bob lehner — Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:15:24 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"] I stand by my earlier comment - I hate the disease ridden bastards![/quote]

Aw come on - they're not as bad as rabbits - they smell minging and then just die....

Re: Vet jobs I don't want

Michael Woodhouse — Sat, 27 Sep 2014 19:55:19 GMT

[quote user="Julian Earl"]Okay, xome semi-ferals are risky to handle, but it is all about correct approach and handling for most. [/quote]

I was swiped this morning trying to clip a cat's claws. Gave it time to acclimatise, fussed it, still swiped me. I stand by my comments.

I've been injured by more cats than all the other animals I deal with added together. I stand by my earlier comment - I hate the disease ridden bastards!

Re: Vet jobs I don't want

Neil Wheadon — Sat, 27 Sep 2014 17:35:05 GMT

[quote user="Julian Earl"]I can give any cat a tablet. I've spent my acreer demonstrating ththe corrct method to owners.[/quote]

My wifes a vet and we almost draw straws to who is going to give the cats a worming tablet at home as they go feral very quickly and Michaels comments about all teeth and claws (in our case claws) isn't so far from the mark.

Neil

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patrick murphy — Sat, 27 Sep 2014 16:30:45 GMT

you tube yes

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Sat, 27 Sep 2014 13:09:26 GMT

Hear hear

Wynne

Re: Vet jobs I don't want

Julian Earl — Sat, 27 Sep 2014 12:43:46 GMT

[quote user="Louise Alexander"]

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]

[quote user="Francisco Gomez"] Interesting answer, why not? Cats aren't too bad[/quote]

They are evil little bastards. All teeth and claws. I hate cats. I really, really hate them.They are nasty and they mean it.

(would take an angry cow any day)

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Michael if you've said this in jest then fair enough. But I suspect that the problem you are having with cats is that you're not doing it right. Cats are actually very easy to handle if you do it in the right way. It makes me very sad that so many vets dismiss them from the off because they have not been taught correct handling techniques.

Louise

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I've just five-starred that as being exactly correct. Okay, xome semi-ferals are risky to handle, but it is all about correct approach and handling for most. Friendly stroking, down the head, along the back, rubbing behind the ears, and I will happily boast, that short of the true feline psychopath, I can give any cat a tablet. I've spent my acreer demonstrating ththe corrct method to owners. Embarrassingly, the only memorable failure was when I demonstrated on a nurse's cat on an open day that we held, with large audience! I then succeeded the second time after picking the tablet from the floor! In fac! I8t irritates me that I learnt this as a teenager working at a vets but it irritates me that we were never taught how as students at university which was a huge omission. There must be thousands of tablets sitting on shelves at pet owners' homes because no-one has shown them how to give tablets correctly. I 've thought of filming it and posting it ON YOU-TUBE..

Re: Vet jobs I don't want

Niall Taylor — Fri, 26 Sep 2014 22:38:37 GMT

[quote user="alex gough"]Tarantula semen collector...

Objective—To establish a nonterminal semen collection method for use in captive Chilean rose tarantulas (Grammostola rosea) and to evaluate tools for investigating morphology and viability of spermatozoa...
Fluorescent staining to distinguish live from dead spermatozoa appeared to be a useful tool for semen evaluation in this species.
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Why, in the name of pants would anyone want to collect Tarantula sperm? What happens next - extreme A.I.?

All very strange!

Niall

Re: Vet jobs I don't want

Michael Woodhouse — Fri, 26 Sep 2014 15:32:24 GMT

[quote user="Louise Alexander"]Michael if you've said this in jest then fair enough. But I suspect that the problem you are having with cats is that you're not doing it right. Cats are actually very easy to handle if you do it in the right way. It makes me very sad that so many vets dismiss them from the off because they have not been taught correct handling techniques.[/quote]

Cat bags?

Re: Vet jobs I don't want

Louise6732 — Fri, 26 Sep 2014 15:08:41 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]

[quote user="Francisco Gomez"] Interesting answer, why not? Cats aren't too bad[/quote]

They are evil little bastards. All teeth and claws. I hate cats. I really, really hate them.They are nasty and they mean it.

(would take an angry cow any day)

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Louise