PDSA taking private customers?

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ruths — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 23:23:46 GMT

Oops- sorry Phone issues... Struggling with life and screws must equal 'are on' but I really don't know how thst happened -)))

Re: PDSA taking private customers?

ruths — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 23:17:46 GMT

Ok personally I suppose once evey couple to three months I'd get somebody who concerned me.. But I suppose there would be others who I was happy to treat and maybe thy DID have a big TV or whatever it is thst signifies they are wasters. I worked hard and the vast vast majority of people I saw were people who were stud going with life for one reason or another. And I have friends who screws benefits and charities due to having to look after disabled children and I suspect one of those has a really big TV.. And you would not want to walk in their shoes for 30mins let alone a day. I think it's sad that as a society there are some of us who would rather see the bad in people and believe stereotypes, without ever having challenged themselves. But I'm not surprised anymore- I'm too old

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Anthony Todd — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 14:57:58 GMT

[quote user="Neil Wheadon"]but many of these cars are motability cars.[/quote]

Jeepers, I'll just say "an expensive, not modified or with a disabled sticker" in future, and I suggest we all question people who make those blanket statements.

[quote user="Neil Wheadon"]We have a friend with a severely disabled daughter that chose to pay a little more for a BMW [/quote]

Of course there are exceptions and I'll bet your friend doesn't use the charities.

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Neil Wheadon — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 13:59:02 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]

Vets in private practice quote examples either of BMWs parked round the corner from the charities or OAPs who scrape and save to pay the vets' bills but nobody seems to know the numbers who cheat the system or who really deserve the charities.

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The topic is veering, but many of these cars are motability cars. We have a friend with a severely disabled daughter that chose to pay a little more for a BMW as the internal room on the SUV was greater, so blanket statements are as usual tough when there are so many variables

Neil

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 12:51:36 GMT

The system that allows it to happen is ridiculously over-generous benefits, which disincentivise the unskilled from working. Some will bltantly admit it - especially if they're perfectly fit, but an evil lying doctor has signed them "sick"

Wynne

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Bob Russell — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 12:48:11 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]

I'll always fit in a late appointment (without charging extra) in order to enable someone to get home from work

Wynne

(I bet someone will find a reason to red-star that)

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I doubt it. I suspect the red stars are for the rather more right of Genghis Khan views on benefit claimants.

I am all for getting everyone fit to work into work. Anti-scroungers as well. Rather than blame the individuals I would prefer to blame a system that allows it to happen and that is politics!

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 12:46:42 GMT

Yes -if I think a nurse is necessary -it often isn't.

Wynne

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Francisco Gomez — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 12:43:49 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]

(I bet someone will find a reason to red-star that)

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Do you also pay 1.5times extra overtime to your employees for staying late for that appointment?

Re: PDSA taking private customers?

Hannah Wynne Richards — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 12:31:54 GMT

I'll always fit in a late appointment (without charging extra) in order to enable someone to get home from work

Wynne

(I bet someone will find a reason to red-star that)

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Lucy Fleming — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 12:09:11 GMT

That's probably a valid point Liz, but then you get into the realms of rehoming centres being reluctant to home to people working, and more likely to rehome to someone who is not working/ working part time - and arguable less able financially to take care of the animal, though they may have more time to dedicate to it. On the other hand, working pet owners can find it difficult to get to a vet appointment when the animal is unwell. Sort of a lose/lose situation...

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 12:07:08 GMT

Micheal. The difference is PDSA is funded from VOLUNTARY donations. Child benefit for unemployds is money that's been stolen from taxpayers. If there was no state funded child benefit, and Barnados chose to give donated money to unemplyds children - I wouldn't criticise (although I wouldn't contribute either) When I choose to give money to PDSA that's charity. When it's stolen by Inland Revenue - that's theft.

Wynne

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Liz w — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 11:15:02 GMT

I suspect families with two full time workers probably cause as much of a welfare issue to dogs as unemployed poor people.

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katja wagner — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 11:11:27 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]

And I'm sick of taxation

Wynne

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I guess we have got that point now

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Michael Woodhouse — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 11:01:22 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]btw I really can't see why those who think PDSA shouldn't provide free treatment because that encourages the wastes of space to own animals can't see that a logical extension of their views is that the taxpayer shouldn't provide financial support for children - another voluntary hobby which some people can't aford - and the poor taxpayer shouldn't have to subsiduse.[/quote]

I see you point, but we get into the same argument - without providing for these children with some degree of financial assistance the children suffer (like the pets suffer if no PDSA). So long as the child benefit is spent on things for the children (and that might include other household bills) and the PDSA money goes on deserving animals then I think it is the best we've got.

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 10:49:37 GMT

And I'm sick of taxation

Wynne

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katja wagner — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 10:30:01 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]

The root cause of a problem which continues from generation to generation is taxpayers funding their brats.

I don't mind the PDSA I sometimes voluntarily contribute to it - for the sake of the poor unfortuneate animals - not their owners.

I object stronly to theiving Inland Revenue stealing my money to enable them to perpetuate the problem by breeding when they can't afford to.

Wynne

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Wynne,

I am getting really sick of your statements about breeding brats and similars perphaps you could stop this now !

katja

Re: PDSA taking private customers?

Hannah Wynne Richards — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 09:50:48 GMT

I have absolutely no objection to PDSA widening their eligibility griteria - that improves animal welfare which I think is a good thing. The problem could be easily solved, by introducing a licence to own pets. The licence would not need to be charged for - but would obnly be issued to taxpayers.

Problem solved (and collander on head yet again)

Wynne

btw I really can't see why those who think PDSA shouldn't provide free treatment because that encourages the wastes of space to own animals can't see that a logical extension of their views is that the taxpayer shouldn't provide financial support for children - another voluntary hobby which some people can't aford - and the poor taxpayer shouldn't have to subsiduse.

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ruths — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 09:35:38 GMT

As I said previously, I've worked in high end and buget practices too and in the same week I've been a charity vet and a posh private vet. I have never felt uncomfortable with my colleagues looking down on me from either side.

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ruths — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 09:29:19 GMT

You may be right, anthony. I certainly don't feel like that and nor do the majority of the vets I've worked with over the years. But I am sure they exist, as do the vets in private practice who think charity vets are all left wing bleeding hearts -))) But I have no evidence of any if that -)

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Anthony Todd — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 08:48:43 GMT

[quote user="ruths"] I can see if I can find some[/quote]

As you say I doubt if there are any, stats. that is.

Some charities [and some charity vets even] think that private vets are all money-grubbing charlatans and that they, charities and charity vets, have a divine duty and right to provide free care for every animal on the planet.

The more animals they treat the better they feel, independent of necessity or qualification.

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ruths — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 08:29:03 GMT

NeilW- yes I agree with you regarding correct identification of pets registered at charities. I think that is a very good policy. I think I'm arguing the case from an 'all charity clinics' perspective and there is a difference betqeen the different organisations.. And having also worked in some pretty high end places too- I see that all of human nature is there too. There are the genuine clients, the weasly ones, the dishonest ones and the fraudulent ones. It would be great if life were simple- I don't have evidence re numbers - I can see if I can find some as I doubt my experience is appropriate!

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Anthony Todd — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 08:11:03 GMT

[quote user="ruths"]Can only report what I have seen and done myself[/quote]

Any ideas on relative numbers?

Why don't all the charities have rigid, bullet-proof almoning in place?!!

I don't think anyone wants the genuine to be denied veterinary care but I think everyone wants fairness.

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ruths — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 07:43:13 GMT

Can only report what I have seen and done myself, Anthony, you are right about that. And I agree that the plural if anecdote doesn't make data. But over the last 20yrs I have spent in charity practice, I can tell you that I don't feel that there are so many people taking the Mickey that it makes the whole process of charity work invalid True, I havent seen everyone's TV- that tis the thing that seems to incense the daily mail and righteous taxpayers the most, so it seems. It maybe that they are all laughing at me and watching bigger TVs than me, but in general, I'd say the clients are ok Yes, there are aome Rottweilers and some staffies - but some of them are lovely dogs owned by lovely owners. This is my experience- i can't say more than that. I do get a bit miffed by the people who call human beings a waste of space. Some people have grown up in all sorts of emotional stresses etc and sometimes life doesn't work out as people would hope and they need to be on benefits for a while. And sometimes there's generations of people on the role with very poor expectations of the world and that's a flipping tradegy - I do agree. And I think a lot of it is about poverty of expectation and I don't know how to fix that- but it's not by starving them out! -)) ( and I'm still on my phone! Will try to link you the CRD paper later!-)))

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Stephen Courtney — Mon, 08 Sep 2014 23:35:40 GMT

I for one am delighted that the PDSA is spreading their remit to include the hard up as well as the indigent. The PDSA is worth its weight in gold to us when it takes on a case that would otherwise turn into a bad debt or be signed over. And I have a hard time over the fact that people who are just plain skint seem unable to get help from anywhere these days, if they can't afford the bells and whistles that come with lovely gold standard levels of work.

I'd rather help a working single mum on tax credits who is at least trying than a person on full benefits with nothing but a sense of entitlement, and this seems to be a positive step, and I'll back the PDSA to the hilt.

I have no interest in the politics of pet 'ownership' Society is a real mess and getting sniffy about who is good enough to look after an animal is pointless. I just treat each one as well as I can, and hope that on balance most of my clients stay the lovely folk they are.

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Anthony Todd — Mon, 08 Sep 2014 18:35:52 GMT

[quote user="ruths"]But you believe whT you need to believe to get yourselves feeling frothy at the mouth about people.[/quote]

So true, and there's someone on here who thinks that steroids are underused, diet, not stress, causes FLUDT, and an ex. lap is worth it's weight in gold [to the animal if not the vet] and everyone screams EVIDENCE or worse.

Yet here we are, bad mouthing the PDSA and their "affluent " clients without a shred of evidence as to relative numbers etc.etc.

Without a shadow of a doubt pets can be "therapeutic" and nobody would deny the poor or disadvantaged to have them but should they get free vet care for 2 rotties yet be able to pay for a 65inch tele etc. etc.

We've had this argument before.... if I could get free service for my Maserati, which is good for my mental state and positively therapeutic, I would!

But is it fair, as I'm sure no charity would do it?