Gold, Silver,Bronze RCVS' dog's breakfast

Re: Gold, Silver,Bronze RCVS' dog's breakfast

Anthony Todd — Mon, 21 Apr 2014 23:36:26 GMT

[quote user="CatherineThomas"] There are a lot of practices whose details say they do exotics without doing anything to back that up, but there are also some really good exotics vets who have no post-grad qualifications but lots of experience and are well respected.[/quote]

If a vet advertises as treating exotic animals [for example] it indicates to the pet owner that, at the least, they will get attention for their pet, rather than be told that "we don't treat snakes" but Mr. X does.

Unfortunately post-grad qualifications are not the only measure of competence and the two are sometimes totally unrelated; post-grad qualifications are the beginning but not necessarily the end.

Re: Gold, Silver,Bronze RCVS' dog's breakfast

J G Wray — Mon, 21 Apr 2014 23:24:32 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]If you are wanting to pass yourself off as anything other than a GP then you'll have to get on and do a cert or similar. Honestly just being a 'good hand' is probably not good enough going forwards.[/quote]

It won't be as re accreditation is brought in. For my own part I see the future in Personal Standards, incentivised through a credible, recognised, audited career progression. But, that would mean understanding General Practice and weakening the Practice based approach and a lot of time money and energy has been invested in PSS. RCVS also know little of and take less interest in General Practice and how successful it is. So, just at the moment it's all too far off their radar and interest.

Vote Molyneux, she really, really wants to see gold, silver and bronze PSS practices.

JGW

Re: Gold, Silver,Bronze RCVS' dog's breakfast

Michael Woodhouse — Mon, 21 Apr 2014 22:06:42 GMT

[quote user="CatherineThomas"]There are a lot of practices whose details say they do exotics without doing anything to back that up, but there are also some really good exotics vets who have no post-grad qualifications but lots of experience and are well respected. How would you differentiate between those?[/quote]

If you are wanting to pass yourself off as anything other than a GP then you'll have to get on and do a cert or similar. Honestly just being a 'good hand' is probably not good enough going forwards.

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]I couldn't agree more, so how do we want veterinary practice graded, judged, categorised or rated and by who?[/quote]

Well, not by Belgravia House, that's for sure.

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You don't HAVE to join. I have no issue with RCVS running the scheme. I have no issues with them awarding some practices higher accolades - clearly not every practice is equal.

I think looking at the practice website and marketing material should be part of the inspection and claims regarding 'specialisms' must be backed up by qualification, experience and CPD.

Re: Gold, Silver,Bronze RCVS' dog's breakfast

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:58:08 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]I couldn't agree more, so how do we want veterinary practice graded, judged, categorised or rated and by who?[/quote]

Well, not by Belgravia House, that's for sure.

We don't want it graded or categorised or rated by anybody. As for judging, the general public will continue to do this as they always have. We just don't want them misled by accolades from Belgravia House.

Re: Gold, Silver,Bronze RCVS' dog's breakfast

CatherineThomas — Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:44:44 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]but as we're in the wind of change why not specify the species. So we have small animals, farm animals and equine; we already have exotics and birds don't we?[/quote]

But how would they need to demonstrate that? There are a lot of practices whose details say they do exotics without doing anything to back that up, but there are also some really good exotics vets who have no post-grad qualifications but lots of experience and are well respected. How would you differentiate between those?

Re: Gold, Silver,Bronze RCVS' dog's breakfast

Anthony Todd — Mon, 21 Apr 2014 20:24:57 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]

I'm in favour of the scheme, but would prefer the lowest category (core practice) to be dropped. All it really proves is the right bits of paper.

Keep hospital and general practice categories.

Gold/silver/bronze - definitely no.

Wynne

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+1, but as we're in the wind of change why not specify the species. So we have small animals, farm animals and equine; we already have exotics and birds don't we?

Even the public will understand that.

Could have General Practice [equine] etc if you like??

I dunno, pet owners and animal keepers have found a vet up to now, where did all this start from.

Re: Gold, Silver,Bronze RCVS' dog's breakfast

Hannah Wynne Richards — Mon, 21 Apr 2014 19:39:26 GMT

I'm in favour of the scheme, but would prefer the lowest category (core practice) to be dropped. All it really proves is the right bits of paper.

Keep hospital and general practice categories.

Gold/silver/bronze - definitely no.

Wynne

Re: Gold, Silver,Bronze RCVS' dog's breakfast

Anthony Todd — Mon, 21 Apr 2014 17:12:37 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]Sometimes the adverse reports are the best recommendations – like the brilliant cheap hotel in Rome we found, severely criticised by some stupid American because, wait for it, the proprietors didn't speak English.[/quote]

I couldn't agree more, so how do we want veterinary practice graded, judged, categorised or rated and by who?

Gold, silver, bronze is naff and degrading IMHO and bears no relationship to the care or quality of the veterinary attention received.

If it's the public it will be false or just wrong; if it's on "facilities" we get back to the trouser press and dusty monitors in cupboards, if it's on care who's to judge?

It may come down to 24 hour attention, like A&E, with a hospital attached as it is in humans. The vet. specialists can't expect to dump their night work onto the OOH centres and it seems obvious that if they are going to care for their in patients they might as well be available for OOH calls, for economics if nothing else.

Bear in mind some OOH work is the stuff the specialists specialise in anyway; GDV etc., for instance.

Re: Gold, Silver,Bronze RCVS' dog's breakfast

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Mon, 21 Apr 2014 14:36:16 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Todd"]

And, the important care and competence can't be defined except by trip/vetadvisor.com, with all the inaccuracies and prejudices.

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Sometimes the adverse reports are the best recommendations – like the brilliant cheap hotel in Rome we found, severely criticised by some stupid American because, wait for it, the proprietors didn't speak English.

Re: Gold, Silver,Bronze RCVS' dog's breakfast

Anthony Todd — Mon, 21 Apr 2014 13:45:23 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]

[quote user="J G Wray"]

Several probs.

1. Informed non vets find it all confusing. It does not provide clarity. Therefore who is this all for?

2. They have no system for defining care let alone regulating it.

3. They ain't listening. They're managing.

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I agree with JGW ( )

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+1, it's the trouser press system tarted up by administrators.

And, the important care and competence can't be defined except by trip/vetadvisor.com, with all the inaccuracies and prejudices.

Re: Gold, Silver,Bronze RCVS' dog's breakfast

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Mon, 21 Apr 2014 13:20:01 GMT

[quote user="J G Wray"]

Several probs.

1. Informed non vets find it all confusing. It does not provide clarity. Therefore who is this all for?

2. They have no system for defining care let alone regulating it.

3. They ain't listening. They're managing.

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I agree with JGW ( )

Re: Gold, Silver,Bronze RCVS' dog's breakfast

J G Wray — Mon, 21 Apr 2014 12:00:08 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]

I'd be quite happy with that. Accredited practice with higher awards if better than average and vet hospital.

At least they are listening.

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Several probs.

1. Informed non vets find it all confusing. It does not provide clarity. Therefore who is this all for?

2. They have no system for defining care let alone regulating it.

3. They ain't listening. They're managing.

JGW

Re: Gold, Silver,Bronze RCVS' dog's breakfast

Michael Woodhouse — Mon, 21 Apr 2014 11:52:48 GMT

[quote user="J G Wray"]Silver and Gold to be used as ‘awards’ relating to care – (with the Bronze category dropped as it would not be seen as a positive attainment.)
 All categories of practice to be able to achieve Silver or Gold Awards with the requirements applying across the board regardless of practice type ( Core / GP / VH ).
 Core, GP and Hospital: to remain as categories which reflect the facilities and services on offer with the ‘awards’ given on top of this ‘base’ accreditation.
 Core to be renamed RCVS Accredited Practice.16. A number of other refinements were put forward -[/quote]

I'd be quite happy with that. Accredited practice with higher awards if better than average and vet hospital.

At least they are listening.