Lay scanners

Re: Lay scanners

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:21:38 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]

Only the owner or his employee can 'diagnose'. Anyone can give advice. So next door farmer can't say "your cow has mastitis" but he can say how he treats mastitis in his cows.

[/quote]

Stop me if you've heard it:

"Jarge?"

"Urr?"

"Moy cow be sick"

"Urrr"

"Jarge?"

"Urr?"

"You rack'leck when your cow were sick?"

"Urrr"

"What did you give your cow when she were sick?"

"Urrrr. Oi give 'er turpentine".

Two weeks later.

"Jarge?"

"Urr?"

"You rack'lec you said you give your cow turpentine when she were sick?"

"Urrrr"

"Moy cow were sick an' Oi give 'er turpentine an' she died."

"Urrrr. So did moine."

Re: Lay scanners

Michael Woodhouse — Sun, 09 Feb 2014 14:03:21 GMT

Only the owner or his employee can 'diagnose'. Anyone can give advice. So next door farmer can't say "your cow has mastitis" but he can say how he treats mastitis in his cows.

Re: Lay scanners

mariette asselbergs — Sun, 09 Feb 2014 13:25:02 GMT

But how many farmers first ask advise from grandpa, the neighbour or one of the experienced farmers around, before calling the expensive vet. Advise itself cannot be made a criminal offense surely, otherwise where is google in this?

mariette

Re: Lay scanners

Hannah Wynne Richards — Wed, 29 Jan 2014 16:11:49 GMT

Unfortunately, I think you're right Evelyn. It is a serious criminal offence for anyone not on the register to "diagnose or treat disease in animals. " It's not only lay scanners who are a problem, there's also all the "alternative " practitioners. Neither Royal College nor the police seem prepared to do anything about it.

Wynne

Re: Lay scanners

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Wed, 29 Jan 2014 14:21:56 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Dennison"]As for diagnosing uterine infections, fairly certain diagnosis of disease comes under the act? It's what the scanner then advises is the crux of the matter - how many will say that the bitch needs to go to see a vet immediately, providing printouts of the scan as part of a good case handover?[/quote]

Making a diagnosis (for a charge) while not a veterinary surgeon. Clear breach of Veterinary Surgeons Act. As with "rodentologists" and the like, I doubt if anyone will do anything about it.

Re: Lay scanners

Anthony Dennison — Wed, 29 Jan 2014 14:00:49 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]

None specifically in this area I know of, but I know a lot of people who've had the sheep-scan-man scan the farm bitch when he's there. They count puppies and on the whole do a very good, accurate job. Their kit is designed to give a large field of view as they are counting thousands of lambs every year.

[/quote]

I would trust a sheep lay scanner.I wouldn't trust an breeder who decides to supplement their income in between litters by buying a scanner, going 'on a course' and suddenly becoming an expert on canine reproduction. Even diagnostic imaging diplomats I imagine would only give a 95-98% confidence on numbers of pups present, considering complications such as resorption.

As for diagnosing uterine infections, fairly certain diagnosis of disease comes under the act? It's what the scanner then advises is the crux of the matter - how many will say that the bitch needs to go to see a vet immediately, providing printouts of the scan as part of a good case handover?

Re: Lay scanners

Michael Woodhouse — Wed, 29 Jan 2014 09:48:59 GMT