Dog DNA test at Pets At Home?

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cat-mcc — Sat, 02 Nov 2013 07:22:51 GMT

Is it the Mars 'Wisdom Panels'? Working in the US I send off a lot of these. I never actively recommend them but owners seems to keep requesting! Initially I thought they were probably BS but no info gets sent with the blood and at least superficially the results seem to fit. They also purport to test for inherited dz and this is how Mars have started to market the test eg. check for a VWD carrier pre- neuter. Strikes me that there are easier ways...

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Rob Loxley — Tue, 29 Oct 2013 17:31:51 GMT

[quote user="Kirsten Simpson"] I'm backing away now as grammer and I are not best pals [/quote]

must. bite. my. tongue.

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Kirsten Simpson — Tue, 29 Oct 2013 17:20:22 GMT

Oh god. I came in this thread wondering how it had 3 pages worth of posts already...and now I see it's all about grammer. I'm backing away now as grammer and I are not best pals

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Gareth Dowdeswell — Tue, 29 Oct 2013 14:47:34 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]

Owner has requested advice as to whether this is any good!

Apparently tells owners what breeds are in their crosses!

How on earth this can work I don't know - what markers are related to specific breeds?

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I think this might be a legitimate test - was at CPD talk last week by the KC and they mentioned that they've helped support this test along with all the other genetic testing they do. Apparently its being developed by Mars (who own some pet food companies). Wasn't really the focus of talk so don't know how accurate/validated the test is.

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Wed, 16 Oct 2013 22:13:05 GMT

[quote user="Rob Davis"]

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]"Those dogs shall be hers, those shall be his.[/quote]

Should "shall" not be reserved for use in the first person.....

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No.

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karen jones — Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:00:38 GMT

As a graduate of the comprehensive system of the seventies , most of this pedantic grammar passes me by. I will never get the apostrophe and not sure I really care! I learnt the grammar I know from French lessons and going to school in wales left me with some strange sayings ( borrow andd lend are same in welsh and for many years I I used borrow when I meant lend - will you borrow me a pencil? Drove my dad mad)

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Rob Davis — Wed, 16 Oct 2013 18:34:44 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]"Those dogs shall be hers, those shall be his.[/quote]

Should "shall" not be reserved for use in the first person.....

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Martin Atkinson — Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:51:08 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]

I'd be quite interested to see by what tortuous reasoning you bring us to Godwin's Law. I hope it's elegant.

[/quote]You have got 99% of the way there with Japanese soldiers!

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:15:47 GMT

I'd be quite interested to see by what tortuous reasoning you bring us to Godwin's Law. I hope it's elegant.

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Martin Atkinson — Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:04:06 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]On the contrary, you remind me of those (possibly mythical) Japanese soldiers still holding out on remote Pacific islands[/quote] Do you want Godwin's law or the hanging man now?

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:49:48 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Dennison"]Purely from the fact that I am struggling with all this grammar flying around, can you get a plural form of 'her'? If so, what would be the plural of 'his'?[/quote]

Do you mean one lady or gent, owning several dogs? The plural forms are still "her" and "his".

Do you mean several ladies or several gents (or, indeed, some of each)? The adjective would be "their".

There is of course a word "hers" but the equivalent masculine is still "his". Permit me to illustrate:

"Those dogs shall be hers, those shall be his. Now these are her dogs over here and those are his over there. These are Janet's dogs and those are John's dogs."

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:33:50 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]Two extra words would have resulted in a much more readable phrase, thus: "her dogs, and those of other people".[/quote]Pedants corner part 2:

Sorry that is poor English, if you want it to be completely grammatically correct this phrase would have to read: 'her dogs and those dogs belonging to other people'. The dogs are not 'of' the people as this implies they are the progeny of, or part of, the people rather than just the possessive state. However 'her's and other people's dogs', makes it just a bit less formal and more colloquial. 'Her dogs' refers to her as the singular possessor of dogs, 'her's and other people's' infers the plural.

You know you can't win, I've never been known to lose an argument and we will have invoked Godwin's law before I give up!

God. I must be sadder more sad than I realised.

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Yes, and certainly less able at written English.

"..... her's and other people's dogs" is not English at all, because "her's dogs" is not English.

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"] 'her's and other people's' infers the plural.[/quote]

"Infers" ? I think not.

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]Sorry that is poor English, if you want it to be completely grammatically correct this phrase would have to read: 'her dogs and those dogs belonging to other people'. The dogs are not 'of' the people as this implies they are the progeny of, or part of, the people rather than just the possessive state.[/quote]

That niggle is not a matter of grammar at all, but let that pass. "Of the people" is a perfectly good colloquial way to express possession, possession either in the sense of ownership or in the sense of "pertaining to". I can't speak for Mrs. A., but the long-suffering wife of Mr. Barbour-Hill is certainly not owned by Evelyn, still less his progeny.

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]You know you can't win, I've never been known to lose an argument and we will have invoked Godwin's law before I give up![/quote]

On the contrary, you remind me of those (possibly mythical) Japanese soldiers still holding out on remote Pacific islands.

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Martin Atkinson — Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:51:19 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]

Rapidly losing the will to live! No work to do?

[/quote] Actually I'm doing administration, writing for Vet Times and preparing my book while others do the work and I just come back on here when a post pops up. If you're not careful I'll post up the picture of the hanging man and that will upset everyone!

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Anthony Dennison — Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:40:36 GMT

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Martin Atkinson — Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:25:09 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Dennison"]Purely from the fact that I am struggling with all this grammar flying around, can you get a plural form of 'her'? If so, what would be the plural of 'his'?[/quote] The plural in this scenario refers to the multiple possession not the individuals concerned. Thus 'her dogs' is fine as she is the only possessor of the dogs, as would be 'their dogs' because 'they' are a single group, however 'her's and the other's dogs' indicates that there are two different groups of dogs with two different possessors, wheres her and the other's dogs refers to her as an individual not her dogs.. Get it?

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Bob Russell — Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:21:40 GMT

Rapidly losing the will to live! No work to do?

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Gillian Mostyn — Wed, 16 Oct 2013 14:33:59 GMT

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Mark Hedberg — Wed, 16 Oct 2013 14:22:47 GMT

"Their"

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Anthony Dennison — Wed, 16 Oct 2013 14:20:36 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]'Her dogs' refers to her as the singular possessor of dogs, 'her's and other people's' infers the plural.[/quote]

Purely from the fact that I am struggling with all this grammar flying around, can you get a plural form of 'her'? If so, what would be the plural of 'his'?

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Martin Atkinson — Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:47:07 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]Two extra words would have resulted in a much more readable phrase, thus: "her dogs, and those of other people".[/quote]Pedants corner part 2:

You know you can't win, I've never been known to lose an argument and we will have invoked Godwin's law before I give up!

God. I must be sadder more sad than I realised.

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Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Tue, 15 Oct 2013 21:52:15 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

[quote user="Gina Dungworth"]

I think you're probably right this time.

[/quote]I'm always right, I was right even when I thought I was wrong!

[/quote]

No you are not, you are wrong.

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"] then it should be '"her's and other people's dogs".[/quote]

Very wrong. "her's dogs"? That's not even English.

It should of course have been "her, and other people's, dogs." But that is still clumsy and not euphonious. Two extra words would have resulted in a much more readable phrase, thus: "her dogs, and those of other people".

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Linda Filshie — Tue, 15 Oct 2013 19:08:38 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

[quote user="Gina Dungworth"]

I think 'her and other people's dogs' works with or without commas. Compare with 'Fred's and George's dogs'.

[/quote] Pedants corner:

Because Kate's dogs and other people's dogs are different, then it should be '"her's and other people's dogs"

I clearly have too much time on my hands.

[/quote] Ah, but "hers" doesn't require a possessive apostrophe, in the same way that "his" wouldn't. Do I win at pedantry?

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Gina Dungworth — Tue, 15 Oct 2013 18:54:09 GMT

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Martin Atkinson — Tue, 15 Oct 2013 18:48:00 GMT

[quote user="Gina Dungworth"]

I think you're probably right this time.

[/quote]I'm always right, I was right even when I thought I was wrong!

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Gina Dungworth — Tue, 15 Oct 2013 18:19:56 GMT

But it's fun being a pedant where grammar is concerned, and I think you're probably right this time.