Who is to blame for people being fat?

Re: Who's fault is it that their fat?

Hannah Wynne Richards — Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:09:11 GMT

We'd subsist-and actually be healthier-might not enjoy life so much-but it's highly immoral to provide benefits that allow people to enjoy themselves-that's why they have zero incentive to get off their fat useless backsides.

Wynne

Re: Who's fault is it that their fat?

Niall Taylor — Fri, 23 Aug 2013 12:19:10 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]

No probs in Britain 70 years ago-WW2 rationing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(and the food provided for in the rations wouldn't be expensive)

Wynne[/quote]

I often wonder whether us members of the pampered baby boomer-plus generation would be able to subsist on wartime ration allowances.

Obviously I'm not curious enouh to actually try it or anything!

Cheers,

Niall

Re: Who's fault is it that their fat?

Hannah Wynne Richards — Fri, 23 Aug 2013 09:29:47 GMT

No probs in Britain 70 years ago-WW2 rationing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(and the food provided for in the rations wouldn't be expensive)

Wynne

Re: Who's fault is it that their fat?

mark packer — Thu, 22 Aug 2013 21:51:24 GMT

I was in Switzerland last week, visiting a friend - she asked me if I'd noticed anything - no fat people, or if so then the exception to the norm. Kids walk to school, or cycle. Bikes are everywhere in Zurich. Supermarkets do not have prominent sweet counters, no '2 for 1' deals on packets of doughnuts. No grim sink estates with people who have abandoned all hope of work helps as well, though the website 'a girl named jack' gives recipes by a single mother living on budget.

2 good books to digest - 'Pure,White and Deadly' by John Rudkin and 'Fat Chance - the bitter truth about sugar' by Robin Lustig - both blame sugar not fat as the cause of obesity - the perils of glucose toxicity.

Re: Who's fault is it that their fat?

Niall Taylor — Wed, 21 Aug 2013 17:56:24 GMT

[quote user="Linda Filshie"]... 10 large Big Mac meals with full fat coke[/quote]

Mmmm!!!

Niall

Re: Who's fault is it that their fat?

Linda Filshie — Wed, 21 Aug 2013 15:08:26 GMT

Yep, drink plenty of water and eat a salt-light diet and it should drop off again.

Re: Who's fault is it that their fat?

Thomas Johnson — Wed, 21 Aug 2013 14:50:22 GMT

[quote user="Linda Filshie"]

Nah, just a shedload of sodium and consequential fluid retention. 5lb of fat gain would equate to c15,000 EXTRA calories (or something like 10 large Big Mac meals with full fat coke) beyond what is required for maintenance.

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Interesting, hadn't thought about that, I guess it also means it will come off on its own as the body gets rid of the sodium?

Re: Who's fault is it that their fat?

Linda Filshie — Wed, 21 Aug 2013 14:42:22 GMT

[quote user="Niall Taylor"]

[quote user="Thomas Johnson"]Over my birthday weekend a couple of months ago we had an afternoon tea and went out for a curry with a couple of beers, and we shared a rice and naan between us so didn't really eat to excess, she put on five pounds.[/quote]

Really? That means - subtracting for water content and digestive/metabolic waste - she must have eaten a lot more than 5lb of food during that period.

No offence, but that sounds like eating to excess to me.

Niall

[/quote] Nah, just a shedload of sodium and consequential fluid retention. 5lb of fat gain would equate to c15,000 EXTRA calories (or something like 10 large Big Mac meals with full fat coke) beyond what is required for maintenance.

Re: Who's fault is it that their fat?

Clive Ansell — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 21:23:37 GMT

I find that exercise doesn't affect my weight greatly: I cycle between 10000 and 12000 miles a year which includes a month off the bike late autumn and fewer miles at reduced intensity through the winter, and longer harder days through the summer. Despite this my weight hardly changes, but my food intake does. I think it is more to do with intake than exercise.

Interestingly, I have noticed that I always rapidly lose weight at high altitude without being ill in any way. Even if not that active and sometimes with days sat around taking it easy to acclimatise weight still drops off. Appetite is usually reduced even without altitude sickness, often have to force ones self to eat. Some of the weight loss is due to fluid loss and is gained again very quickly once back at sea level, but not all of it

Re: Who's fault is it that their fat?

Mark Holmes — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 19:31:12 GMT

[quote user="James Laidlaw"]

Am I the only one pedantic enough to be worried about the spelling of they're in the title... I need to get a life I think :(

[/quote] No I mentioned it at the beginning of the thread. Thought I was alone.

Re: Who's fault is it that their fat?

Gillian Mostyn — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 19:18:04 GMT

I'm sunk weight-wise for the next few weeks - the Great British Bake Off starts again tonight...... always makes me hungry and gives me the urge to start baking ....

Re: Who's fault is it that their fat?

Niall Taylor — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:34:32 GMT

[quote user="KMurphy"]What about the "who's"?![/quote]

Aaaargh!!! I hadn't noticed that one.

Re: Who's fault is it that their fat?

Niall Taylor — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:33:34 GMT

[quote user="Arlo Guthrie"]No. Me too! Have fixed.[/quote]

Phew!!!

Re: Who's fault is it that their fat?

KMurphy — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:22:30 GMT

What about the "who's"?!

Re: Who's fault is it that their fat?

Arlo Guthrie — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:15:08 GMT

[quote user="James Laidlaw"]Am I the only one pedantic enough to be worried about the spelling of they're in the title[/quote]

No. Me too! Have fixed.

Re: Who's fault is it that their fat?

James Laidlaw — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:44:28 GMT

Am I the only one pedantic enough to be worried about the spelling of they're in the title... I need to get a life I think :(

Re: Who's fault is it that their fat?

Anthony Dennison — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:29:09 GMT

Another thing to consider is when you go from slim to fat, it's hyperplasia of adipose cells. When you slim down, the number of fat cells don't reduce, they just shrink. meaning it is VERY easy to put on weight after slimming

Re: Who's fault is it that their fat?

Thomas Johnson — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:30:09 GMT

[quote user="Niall Taylor"]

Really? That means - subtracting for water content and digestive/metabolic waste - she must have eaten a lot more than 5lb of food during that period.

No offence, but that sounds like eating to excess to me.

[/quote]

None taken, but I was with her all weekend! And interestingly the weight didn't go on all at once, it took a few days including the first few days of the week when she was back to eating very healthily.

Re: Who's fault is it that their fat?

Niall Taylor — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:17:04 GMT

Really? That means - subtracting for water content and digestive/metabolic waste - she must have eaten a lot more than 5lb of food during that period.

No offence, but that sounds like eating to excess to me.

Niall

Re: Who's fault is it that their fat?

KMurphy — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:13:45 GMT

Gillian, I'm 33, hypothyroid and definitely do not lose weight quickly!! Just try to address things quickly when the weight starts to creep up. I know losing weight can be a struggle. I never said it was fun!! I still can't face Ryvita and cottage cheese three years on from getting married because it's what I ate every lunchtime in a bid to be slim for my wedding day. It worked but it was a miserable meal :(

Re: Who's fault is it that their fat?

Gillian Mostyn — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:58:02 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]That doesn't alter the fact that unemplyeds who sit down all day don't need as much food-so the taxpayer shouldn't be charged for as much food for them![/quote]

It is brill the way you ensure that every thread has a reference to your excessive tax bill Wynne! You're nothing if not consistant!

Love ya though!

Re: Who's fault is it that their fat?

Hannah Wynne Richards — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:55:55 GMT

That doesn't alter the fact that unemplyeds who sit down all day don't need as much food-so the taxpayer shouldn't be charged for as much food for them!

Wynne

Re: Who's fault is it that their fat?

Gillian Mostyn — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:52:55 GMT

[quote user="KMurphy"] I've never been obese but I gain weight very easily. If I reach a certain critical upper level where my trousers start to feel too tight then I cut back on what I'm eating. It works. [/quote]

Hope you don't mind me asking, but how old are you? I'm not being rude, but if you find you lose weight quickly I suspect you have youth on your side!

I lost weight very quickly in my 20s (from being a chubby teenager). Now I'm nearly 40, with 2 children, things aren't that easy....

Re: Who's fault is it that their fat?

Hannah Wynne Richards — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:52:23 GMT

I'm not sure of the references, but at least in horses adipose tissue actually acts as an endocrine organ-and encourages even more weight gain.

Wynne

Re: Who's fault is it that their fat?

Arlo Guthrie — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:51:56 GMT

[quote user="KMurphy"] [quote user="Colin Thomson"]Now I know, its easy - all I have to do is eat less and move more. But if it were that easy there would be no obesity crisis now. [/quote]It is that easy.[/quote]

I think I'm clinically obese too. Certainly was the last time I was checked, and if anything I've put on weight.

I agree with you entirely KMmurphy, it is all about eating less and moving more. But I think you might have more accurately said: 'It is that simple', not 'it is that easy'!

There have been a handful of times when my personal circumstances were ideally suited to a healthy lifestyle: working as a jackaroo in Australia, working in an office the other side of London to my home (and I hated the tube enough to cycle 10 miles a day) and living in a house I couldn't afford in France (which meant that in addition to the day job, I was up at 6:00am chopping down trees and gardening).

The rest of the time, my desk-based job and sweet tooth conspire against me living much beyond my early 50's!

I've just decided that time is getting frighteningly close, so I've started various things in order to try and squeeze out a few more years:

Stopped having sugar in coffee and tea (takes a bit of getting used to, and easier for me with coffee).
Rarely drink other sweet drinks.
20 minute swim every morning (50 lengths, exert myself)
reducing size of breakfast from a huge bowl of granola to a few tablespoons
Eating smaller lunches, often a bowl of soup in winter
supper remains enormous - I'm starving by then!

I've been a bit disappointed that the swimming doesn't seem to make any difference, but as A. A. Gill apparently said, by far the most important thing about losing weight is reducing intake - taking exercise is mainly just to make sure there is something worth looking at when the fat as burned off.