Doing the job properly - why do we bother?

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An On MRCVS — Thu, 06 Jun 2013 17:19:05 GMT

There are more than one of us leaving! Plus my boss might know but the practice hasn't been identified to everyone this way.

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Martin Atkinson — Thu, 06 Jun 2013 15:05:39 GMT

[quote user="An On MRCVS"]

I thought this sounded like my boss and yesterday he had a dressing down from defra about correct passport implementation. They suggested further training (from what I could gather) which he has refused and has suggested he be removed from all LVI panels instead (mainly in a strop). So they have followed it up but don't think any more will happen. I'm glad someone reported him- he had argued with me over this very issue and its one in a long list of things he should be called to account for. I'm afraid I'm leaving rather than whistle blow though.

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Whoops sounds like I've opened the proverbial. If it is your boss anon then he doesn't sound like the sort of person I'd like to work for either so best of luck for the future, you sound the sort of person who has good principles and I'd employ if I had a vacancy.

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Gillian Mostyn — Thu, 06 Jun 2013 13:28:59 GMT

not sure why you bothered being anon -I'd have thought that anyone who works with you, including your boss, will know exactly who you are!!

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An On MRCVS — Thu, 06 Jun 2013 10:37:46 GMT

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Anthony Dennison — Fri, 31 May 2013 22:48:34 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]I had to have daily I/P injections of heparin when I broke my leg and was lying in traction in hospital in Austria to prevent DVT[/quote]

I had this when i was in for a week having my ankle operated on. Didn't realise it went I/P, I thought it was S/C, as the person giving it to me used to say 'Don't move for half an hour after giving this, or you'll get a really bad bruise'. It stang like hell.

It also didn't work. I got a thrombus in one of my more superficial veins (horrible feeling), but was v close to the saphenous vein. Cue alot of scans and D-Dimer testing!

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Martin Atkinson — Fri, 31 May 2013 16:46:25 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]

Pass the info you have onto DEFRA and let them do with that as they see fit.

[/quote] As you are aware that I always treat your advice with the utmost respect Michael, so I have done just that, they seemed very interested, Whether anything comes from it is of course another matter!

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Martin Atkinson — Thu, 30 May 2013 18:38:46 GMT

[quote user="Mark Holmes"]I was under the impression it was the post exposure injections that were painful.[/quote] I think this is one those fallacies which come from the fact that the immunoglobulin has to be given intra-peritoneally and there is a common misconception this is painful. I suspect it is down to injection technique and how much of a wimp the recipient is. I had to have daily I/P injections of heparin when I broke my leg and was lying in traction in hospital in Austria to prevent DVT and they didn't hurt at all - in fact the broken leg didn't hurt either so maybe I just have high pain threshold or am made from sterner stuff.

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Bob Russell — Thu, 30 May 2013 18:11:43 GMT

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Chipped and Hungarian Pets Passport but oddly a UK number Virbac chip!

I tried to get a comment from Virbac but have never heard back.

I suspect an imported puppy with dubious paperwork unchipped until arrival in the UK.

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Will Virbac's microchip registrar (petlog now, I think) tell you who chipped it and when - usually recorded on the registration form.

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The UK registration was done by the client so the only information on the database is as supplied by the owner!

I suspect the details of the vet supplied is only available to Virbac!

These were internet supplied puppies and many others were available on-line.

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Mark Hedberg — Thu, 30 May 2013 16:33:35 GMT

Microchipping isn't an everyday thing in Hungary but they do have their own chip number and supply. You might possibly have had a UK charity go in and do a neutering/chipping drive, that's one way a chip could have made its way over. Not common, though, but not impossible.

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mariette asselbergs — Thu, 30 May 2013 16:19:10 GMT

"It strikes me as unlikely that UK chips would be sent overseas for use!"

Working in Mozambique I used to chip the pets of ex-pats who wanted to take them to Europe with microchips they brought back or were sent from Europe. They don't actually have to be registered anywhere, as long as the reader identifies the animal as the individual belonging to its passport.

I don't know abouty microchipping in Hungary, but I could imagine that it is not so routine as here, or maybe they wanted to make sure that the UK teaders would recognise the chip.

Mariette

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Rob Loxley — Thu, 30 May 2013 16:18:29 GMT

[quote user="Bob Russell"]

Chipped and Hungarian Pets Passport but oddly a UK number Virbac chip!

I tried to get a comment from Virbac but have never heard back.

I suspect an imported puppy with dubious paperwork unchipped until arrival in the UK.

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Will Virbac's microchip registrar (petlog now, I think) tell you who chipped it and when - usually recorded on the registration form.

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Christopher Saul — Thu, 30 May 2013 13:28:57 GMT

I think you might be right re the immunoglobulin injection being painful, though if you have a full rabies course, and then get bitten, the only post exposure treatment is another 2 doses of vaccine (i.e.immunoglob unnecessary). If you are unvaccinated and get exposed then you have to have both a double primary course of vaccine as well as a course of (painful?)immunoglobulin shots ........

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Bob Russell — Thu, 30 May 2013 10:15:36 GMT

We have had a strange passport case. A '16 week old' puppy that looked closer to 12 weeks. Chipped and Hungarian Pets Passport but oddly a UK number Virbac chip!

I tried to get a comment from Virbac but have never heard back.

I suspect an imported puppy with dubious paperwork unchipped until arrival in the UK. It strikes me as unlikely that UK chips would be sent overseas for use!

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Dagmar Steele — Wed, 29 May 2013 20:58:26 GMT

[quote user="Mark Holmes"] I was under the impression it was the post exposure injections that were painful. I had rabies vaccinations 20 years ago (OMG) and they were not painful either. The post exposure ones are supposed to be only marginally better than the rabies they are intended to prevent - better hope they work and you don't e d up having both as that would be a really bad day!

[/quote] That might not be the case anymore either. My boyfriend during veterinary school had to be vaccinated post exposure and he didn't find it painful at all. I know a couple of other people who had to be vaccinated post exposure and they didn't find it very painful either. Come to think of it some of the incidents date back 25 years or more :-(

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Mark Holmes — Wed, 29 May 2013 20:35:57 GMT

[quote user="Christopher Saul"]

If anyone is worried about getting vaccinated against rabies, fear not -

though it used to have a reputation as an extremely painful injection, the adjuvants used in the more modern human rabies vaccine are much less of a problem - I've just completed a course and can honestly say they were no more painful than a gnat bite....

[/quote] I was under the impression it was the post exposure injections that were painful. I had rabies vaccinations 20 years ago (OMG) and they were not painful either. The post exposure ones are supposed to be only marginally better than the rabies they are intended to prevent - better hope they work and you don't e d up having both as that would be a really bad day!

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Stephen Courtney — Wed, 29 May 2013 17:50:15 GMT

I had a dog arrive from the USA into quarantine - temporarily as at that time they couldn't be cleared from the airport under the PETS regs.

This dog's paperwork was one digit out on the microchip number. My heart sank....but on phoning the ministry vets, was advised that they would 'accept' one or two digits out without much of a quibble.

i didn't argue.

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Michael Woodhouse — Wed, 29 May 2013 16:36:20 GMT

Pass the info you have onto DEFRA and let them do with that as they see fit.

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James Laidlaw — Wed, 29 May 2013 14:30:15 GMT

Doing nothing over something like this is not far removed from condoning the action itself. Not having a dig at you, I know how much of a pain it can be to deal with such a problem on top of a work schedule, but I think it's the kind of thing that needs to be reported if we want to see these loopholes addressed if not closed completely.

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Christopher Saul — Wed, 29 May 2013 14:28:28 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]without making a storm in a tea cup[/quote]

you're not making a storm in teacup dear boy I think your concerns are extremely pertinent. It only takes one dog carrying rabies to get through the net before someone dies.

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Martin Atkinson — Wed, 29 May 2013 14:17:20 GMT

[quote user="James Laidlaw"]Surely you can check with defra whether this was the information given as the passport you took copies of will have the vet's stamp in. [/quote] True, I'm still procrastinating as to what is the best thing to do without making a storm in a tea cup.

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James Laidlaw — Wed, 29 May 2013 11:46:35 GMT

Surely you can check with defra whether this was the information given as the passport you took copies of will have the vet's stamp in. They might not tell you who the vet is but they should be able to clarify the information given out by their staff, or if they've been contacted at all.

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Mark Hedberg — Wed, 29 May 2013 11:23:19 GMT

[quote user="Martin Atkinson"]

[quote user="James Laidlaw"]Any update on this Martin? Or lost into the ether?

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Further update since last post and it only gets worse. According to the client, apparently the vet involved phoned DEFRA who told him to implant a new chip and alter the passport accordingly as it was exceptional circumstances. I can't check this with the vet as the client won't tell me who it was. If this is true I wonder why we bother at all.

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If true. If it's true, why not give you the name of the vet? While I like to think i'm a nice guy, I'm not sure i'd lay my neck on 'they said they said'!

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Martin Atkinson — Wed, 29 May 2013 10:35:11 GMT

[quote user="James Laidlaw"]Any update on this Martin? Or lost into the ether?

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Nicola Cole — Thu, 23 May 2013 22:10:57 GMT

Are most vets getting vaccinated against rabies following changes to passport procedure?

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Alan Tevendale — Thu, 23 May 2013 21:33:23 GMT

I had a course only around a year ago and would agree that the injections were nothing to worry about.