RSPCA and daytime attendance

Re: RSPCA and daytime attendance

Rob Loxley — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:40:39 GMT

[quote user="mariette asselbergs"]Don't all swans belong to the Queen.[/quote]

Not quite

Re: RSPCA and daytime attendance

mariette asselbergs — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:02:37 GMT

Don't all swans belong to the Queen. Can she not pay the bills for her animals? And being voted the most powerful woman in Britain can she not discipline the RSPCA?

Re: RSPCA and daytime attendance

Arlo Guthrie — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 12:56:50 GMT

[quote user="Christopher Burch"]Apologies

Chris[/quote]

Don't worry, you weren't the first, and nor will you be the last

Re: RSPCA and daytime attendance

Christopher Burch — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:47:40 GMT

Apologies

Chris

Re: RSPCA and daytime attendance

Gillian Mostyn — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:45:56 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]But Mrs. Barbour-Hill is always right [/quote]

Duh......obviously!

Re: RSPCA and daytime attendance

Bob Russell — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:27:16 GMT

[quote user="Evelyn Barbour-Hill"]

[quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]

[quote user="Christopher Burch"]Mrs Barbour-Hill you are of course right[/quote]

It is Mr

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But Mrs. Barbour-Hill is always right

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Another well trained family man!!

Re: RSPCA and daytime attendance

Bob Russell — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:26:40 GMT

We follow the memorandum of understanding within reason. This covers the majority of euthanasias/patching up before handing on to our 'birdman'. It would cover euthanasia of the swan but not disposal but if there is a demand for treatment aimed at recovery this would be chargeable.

Despite the lack of a two way street we do these at cost or less. What a shame the RSPCA cannot return the favour by helping out when they should!

Re: RSPCA and daytime attendance

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:22:07 GMT

[quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]

[quote user="Christopher Burch"]Mrs Barbour-Hill you are of course right[/quote]

It is Mr

[/quote]

But Mrs. Barbour-Hill is always right

Re: RSPCA and daytime attendance

Rachael Winder — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:14:02 GMT

Interestingly, the last swan I dealt with from the RSPCA, came with an AWO and a log number. Was paid without quibble.

Re: RSPCA and daytime attendance

Gillian Mostyn — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:08:45 GMT

[quote user="Christopher Burch"]Mrs Barbour-Hill you are of course right[/quote]

It is Mr

Re: RSPCA and daytime attendance

Christopher Burch — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:56:07 GMT

Thankyou Mrs Barbour-Hill (and others)

Our practice policy is that all wild animals are dealt with at no cost to the public when presented by a member of the public. In fact we deal with stray cats and dogs on a similar basis - we seem to be the non funded out of hours dog warden.

However, I have had dealings with the RSPCA, police and local council where they have asked us to attend animals (including owned, strays and wild animals) at all hours and have expected us to do this for nothing.

Yeterday was the straw that broke the camels back.

It is not so much that I object to dealing with these things for free, it is that organisations expect us to, and will use the guide to professional conduct to force us to (this is highlighted in the MOU, which I had forgotten about until yesterday).

Mrs Barbour-Hill you are of course right, my practice (not me) accepted the call, and as such we will have to live with it. But the (what seemed to me) high handed note received with the return invoice did not help.

Anyway, I have sent the letter, I shall where the cookie falls, but in all likelihood it will be more hassle than its worth to pursue this.

Chris

Re: RSPCA and daytime attendance

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 01:10:36 GMT

It's a Memorandum of Understanding (which the BVA are a very suitable organisation to negotiate), not a Contract. Personally, I stick to it, but I wish the RSPCA would also stick to it (we have had threads before about their way of reneging upon it).

No veterinary surgeon is actually bound by it, if he cares to state other terms.

Mr. Burch, if you truly were "advised at the time that treatment would be free" I'm afraid you've accepted that.

Veterinary surgeons are generally and on the whole expected as a professional obligation to provide simpler treatments (the vet. to have the decision as to what treatment will be given) to most wildlife without charging anybody This is not something laid down by the RSPCA, it's always been a traditional obligation.

Nobody seems to have thought of swans when codifying this. I think personally that they are so large, messy, potentially tricky to handle and expensive to dispose of when dead that they should be considered more like the larger mammals.

If the swan were already in care in a RSPCA establishment and you were asked to treat it, the MOU would not apply.

[quote user="Christopher Burch"]May I suggest that all members who are contacted by the RSPCA in future clear before they are seen who will be responsible for any fees, and not allow themselves to be dictated to by the RSPCA.[/quote]

Sound advice, of course.

Re: RSPCA and daytime attendance

Rob Loxley — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:03:58 GMT

[quote user="Mark Holmes"]Actually as far as I understand the BVA collectively agreed to FOC treatment hence Zi assume that only BVA members are bound by it.[/quote]

OK, but I'm guessing no non-BVA members have an agreement in place that the RSPCA will pay for the treatment of their wildlife?

Re: RSPCA and daytime attendance

Rob Loxley — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:02:43 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]My understanding was under the MOU we collectively agreed to treat wildlife brought to the surgery during opening hours FOC. It was only OOH or if a visit was required where we can bill them.[/quote]

or sick/injured larger wild mammals

Re: RSPCA and daytime attendance

Mark Holmes — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:28:22 GMT

Actually as far as I understand the BVA collectively agreed to FOC treatment hence Zi assume that only BVA members are bound by it.

Re: RSPCA and daytime attendance

Gillian Mostyn — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:06:40 GMT

It can be a difficult situation if the swan is currently in the care of the RSPCA. If a vet practice does the work for a local wildlife hospital or RSPCA clinic it could be too expensive to offer the work FOC.

If was just an occasional wildlife case, then of course I would treat FOC. (I wouldn't charge for the drugs either.)

Re: RSPCA and daytime attendance

Michael Woodhouse — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:16:49 GMT

Chris

My understanding was under the MOU we collectively agreed to treat wildlife brought to the surgery during opening hours FOC. It was only OOH or if a visit was required where we can bill them.