Small animal lay scanners

Re: Small animal lay scanners

patrick murphy — Sat, 24 Nov 2012 17:26:38 GMT

the one I experienced was about 300 miles away,the dog was in the Isle of Wight, and after all of that I managed to get her pregnant several weeks after she had 'ovulated', with I must was excellent advice from Larry Roberts at Idexx, and she had just 1 very expensive puppy. icing on the cake was that she could not believe that it was just one, so keep coming back for repeated US's

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patrick murphy — Sat, 24 Nov 2012 17:01:02 GMT

it has been my experience that I make my money after they have seen these people.

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Rob Loxley — Sat, 24 Nov 2012 00:19:25 GMT

[quote user="Hannah Wynne Richards"]I'd say it came under the haeding of diagnosis so under the VSA[/quote]

The VSA states "diagnosis of disease", and I'm not sure pregnancy is a disease?

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plantagenet — Fri, 23 Nov 2012 17:41:30 GMT

Its the blasted woman who offers oestrus detection that annoys me - she is almost 100% wrong - quite and achievement! but they never blame or criticise her. She also does number scanning and is almost always out on that , again, no blame just resorption.

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Hannah Wynne Richards — Fri, 23 Nov 2012 17:17:44 GMT

I'd say it came under the haeding of diagnosis so under the VSA

Wynne

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Mark Hedberg — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 22:25:02 GMT

I had an owner in last year; dog had a long history of false pregnancies, and despite numerous warnings (all recorded) that pregnancy was a BAD idea, she was desperate for "just one pup". (on benefits, no cash, etc.) Didn't see her for a few months until she dragged it in the last stages of a terminal pyo or peritonitis or whatever; HIGH fever. belly full of fluid, nastiest, dirtiest gums you'd ever seen (toxic as hell), panty breathing, the works. She couldn't understand it - her breeder friend had scanned it last week and 'everything was fine!'

So we haul in the new ultrasound machine and my trusty nurse proceeds to ---> clip the hair on the belly <----

and the owner says "what are you doing?" I explain we clip the hair for u/s, explain the reasons...

...."oh, breeder nivver did that, she never needed no clip!"

(dog pts, abdomen full of fluid, dog started agonal breathing so it was probably a race between me PTS and the dog dying on its own)

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Robin Grimmer — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 20:09:22 GMT

It says she works closely with 'breeder-friendly' local vet Abdul.

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Rachael Winder — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 19:51:19 GMT

We have a local chap who I think used to work in the pig industry who offers a "full reproductive service". He's very good at telling breeders exactly how many pups there are and then telling them they've been "resorbed" when the numbers are drastically different. We had one bitch scanned at 50days and at that stage she had 9pups, by time of whelping we were down to 2... Could charm the birds out of the trees but dangerously lacking knowledge. But according to hte RCVS not a problem...

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Jenny Smith — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 18:38:15 GMT

As a student I watched one of the equine residents scan a grooms dog and confirm early pregnancy... Until the imaging resident (smallies and equine) pointed out he was seeing a transverse view of the intestines!!!

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Clive Ansell — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 18:21:47 GMT

more concerning;

"I offer an out of hours Scanning Service for breeders with bitches needing to be checked for retained puppies." link

Whelping aids

Ovulation testing

Re: Small animal lay scanners

Rob Loxley — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 18:16:00 GMT

[quote user="Anthony Dennison"]

even more worrying... a quick Google search:

http://www.caninepregnancyscanning.co.uk/index.html

[/quote]

Especially their offerings re AI...

I don't believe ultrasound for PD comes under the scope of the VSA, but I'd ask why are breeders going to lay people rather than engaging with their vet?

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James Laidlaw — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 18:07:15 GMT

It's the advice that does or doesn't go with it that causes more concerns.

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Michael Woodhouse — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:50:44 GMT

One of the ultrasonographers at a local hospital used to breed dogs so she scanned loads of bitches after hours in the human hospital using NHS kit. She was really good at it. *Think* she only charged a tenner.

Scanning a bitch is way less invasive than scanning a cow. Not an act of veterinary surgery. It's not really a diagnosis.

Re: Small animal lay scanners

Anthony Dennison — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 16:56:32 GMT

even more worrying... a quick Google search:

http://www.caninepregnancyscanning.co.uk/index.html