Tarring of the profession?

Re: Tarring of the profession?

Niall Taylor — Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:22:39 GMT

[quote user="robloxley"]Me neither, but the RMB spin seems to think so![/quote]

Quite - the RMB movement, like many others, relies on an alleged evil cabal which is supposedly against it in order to promote group cohesion and so that members have something to rail at and blame when stuff goes wrong. It's much more comforting to see the world in black and white, goodies and baddies, like we all used to when we were children. In the case of RMB the cabal is us - normal vets - so that makes it ok to abuse and slander us; we don't promote RMB ergo we are corrupt, ignorant and cruel. Yet when vets make money from selling BARF-type diets or selling books promoting RMB that is somehow ok. As you say, double standards; a classic example of cognitive dissonance.

From a personal point of view, having debated RMB'ers - and despite their rather defensive, or in some cases downright aggressive, tone - I am much more laid back about things when people tell me they feed raw. It is perfectly possible for a dog to live to a ripe old age while being fed RMB. The movement as a whole though is in denial about the risks that do exist, and about the inconvenience of providing such a diet. As long as people understand the risks then the decision is theirs as far as I'm concerned these days.

When it comes to the "evils of kibble" though, that's when we truly step into the realms of fantasy.

Cheers,

Niall

Re: Tarring of the profession?

Rob Loxley — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 23:27:29 GMT

[quote user="James Laidlaw"]That's not what I think of when I think of commission[/quote]

Me neither, but the RMB spin seems to think so!

Re: Tarring of the profession?

James Laidlaw — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 18:51:26 GMT

[quote user="robloxley"]

[quote user="James Laidlaw"]does anyone out there actually get commission from pet food companies?[/quote]

If you mean markup and hence profit then yes, and some freebies for puppy and kitten packs.

[/quote] That's not what I think of when I think of commission. I realise that there is a mark up and samples go to clients, so not really a benefit to the clinic...

Re: Tarring of the profession?

James Laidlaw — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 18:51:26 GMT

[quote user="robloxley"]

[quote user="James Laidlaw"]does anyone out there actually get commission from pet food companies?[/quote]

If you mean markup and hence profit then yes, and some freebies for puppy and kitten packs.

[/quote] That's not what I think of when I think of commission. I realise that there is a mark up and samples go to clients, so not really a benefit to the clinic...

Re: Tarring of the profession?

Clive Ansell — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 18:43:55 GMT

[quote user="Emily Herskind Nightingale"]

From the "legal" section on the website:

The pages contained in this website may contain technical inaccuracies and typographical errors.

I agree with them.. =)

[/quote]

I think you'll find the correct nomenclature is male bovine faeces.

Re: Tarring of the profession?

Emily Nightingale — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 18:31:47 GMT

From the "legal" section on the website:

The pages contained in this website may contain technical inaccuracies and typographical errors.

I agree with them.. =)

Re: Tarring of the profession?

Rob Loxley — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 18:27:41 GMT

[quote user="James Laidlaw"]does anyone out there actually get commission from pet food companies?[/quote]

If you mean markup and hence profit then yes, and some freebies for puppy and kitten packs.

Re: Tarring of the profession?

Jo Cobbett — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:10:10 GMT

And the person who runs the website is currently at university. Studying history.

Re: Tarring of the profession?

Jo Cobbett — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:05:56 GMT

And from the Useful Links page:

[quote]

Wikipedia… humph!
Well, this is where most people are likely to go if they are looking for information. We suspect that the article has been written by the PR department of a major dog food manufacturer. It pretends to be fair and even handed but the truth is… it isn’t. Still, useful background and an example of how clever the £1 billion dog food industry are at protecting their interests. Imagine if dog owners were to discover how processed dog food adversely affects their pet’s health! Imagine if they learned what actually goes into processed dog food (even the expensive stuff)!
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_feeding

[/quote]

I've only scanned the Wikipedia page, but it actually looks quite well balanced

Re: Tarring of the profession?

Jo Cobbett — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:02:40 GMT

From the "legal" page on the website:

[quote] The material on this website does not constitute advice and you should not rely on any material in this website to make (or refrain from making) any decision or take (or refrain from taking) any action.[/quote]

Re: Tarring of the profession?

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 11:57:39 GMT

I honestly think that most members of the public who came across this site would see through the lies, unless they were that way inclined already.

However I feel that those practices that have become petfood floggers do rather invite this sort of comment.

Re: Tarring of the profession?

Ian Mostyn — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 10:49:35 GMT

At least one of the practices listed sells all kinds of dog food on their website. Definite double standards.

Ian

Re: Tarring of the profession?

Anne Seawright — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 10:07:04 GMT

[quote user="Arlo Guthrie"]

[quote user="James Laidlaw"]Advice on RAW vets recommended website[/quote]

Which website, can you post a link please.

[/quote] http://www.rawfoodvets.com/vets

Re: Tarring of the profession?

Arlo Guthrie — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 09:50:33 GMT

[quote user="James Laidlaw"]Advice on RAW vets recommended website[/quote]

Which website, can you post a link please.

Re: Tarring of the profession?

Martin Atkinson — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 09:04:35 GMT

Anyone know any sympathetic lawyers? We shouldn't tolerate this sort of stuff, its bad enough clients thinking we rip them off anyway for setting reasonable fees and daring to have a decent standard of living as it is, this is libel and calls for a class action against RAW as the whole profession has been defamed.

Re: Tarring of the profession?

Arlo Guthrie — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 08:55:57 GMT

I've moved this out of the 'Controversial' forum to the main one, so more of you will see it.

Re: Tarring of the profession?

Anthony Dennison — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 16:25:39 GMT

Definately wan't some comission frm pet food companies. Even if it's just free pet food for my dog.

And we definately get ALOT of nutrition lectures at uni. About feeding for normal dogs, and for specialist diets for certain disease processes (so says the pile of notes someone collected for me when I stayed in bed after seeing a nutrition day... oops)

In principal, I've got nothing against RAW/RMB/BARF or whatever diets. I've met a few clients who have their animals on them and are very happy with the way things are going; I'm not going to tell them they're wrong and go back to kibbles.

What I do have a massive problem with. however, is the people that make these diets telling me I'm wrong, uneducated and on the take. Following the International Drinking Rules I believe the only thing needed to say is 'False Accusation - imbibe 2 digits'.