Breeder issue

Re: Breeder issue

Anthony Todd — Thu, 08 Nov 2012 22:12:27 GMT

[quote user="An On MRCVS"]Dental issue in a dog that based on specialist advice requires extractions of deciduous teeth (x2). [/quote]

Surely depends on the reason for the extraction? If the temporaries are displacing the permanent canines [?] then sure, and yorkies were/are notorious, and the temporary roots are very long too!!!

Gotta do what's best for the dog and to hell with the breeder's so called opinion.

Re: Breeder issue

Simon Neuhoff — Thu, 08 Nov 2012 18:10:12 GMT

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[quote user="Simon Neuhoff"]With respect to my colleagues above - and I definitely feel the same way about many breeders - make sure you maintain a professional attitude throughout.[/quote] That is why I added smiley, I don't think anyone would actually tell them to go forth and multiply but being firmly assertive whilst remaining diplomatic is essential.

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I know you were being funny - and I was smiling as I read your post! I just feel that being polite and authoritative works well rather than slagging off the breeder - much as I am tempted in these situations to slag them off!

Re: Breeder issue

Martin Atkinson — Thu, 08 Nov 2012 18:00:53 GMT

Re: Breeder issue

Simon Neuhoff — Thu, 08 Nov 2012 17:22:49 GMT

[quote user="Michael Woodhouse"]

I suspect there are a lot of good dog breeders out there, but the bad ones make a lot of noise and talk a lot of shit.

Are we talking retained canines? There was a thread quite recently on them that might be worth looking up.

You don't even need a specialist here, just a fine elevator and patience - even rough cow vets can do these!

As long as there is no weird ownership agreement with the breeder tell them they can go and fornicate with them-self in the way Martin so elegantly describes.

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With respect to my colleagues above - and I definitely feel the same way about many breeders - make sure you maintain a professional attitude throughout. Not only will this let you keep the moral high ground but you will also be more convincing. This is one of those situations where getting older has its benefits - now that I am bald and greying I have much less difficulty convincing clients to listen to me rather than the breeder.

You could gently point out that the only "qualification" it requires to breed animals is the capacity to put two animals of compatible species and opposite sexes in the same area for logn enough to do what comes naturally.

Re: Breeder issue

Michael Woodhouse — Thu, 08 Nov 2012 16:57:45 GMT

I suspect there are a lot of good dog breeders out there, but the bad ones make a lot of noise and talk a lot of shit.

Are we talking retained canines? There was a thread quite recently on them that might be worth looking up.

You don't even need a specialist here, just a fine elevator and patience - even rough cow vets can do these!

As long as there is no weird ownership agreement with the breeder tell them they can go and fornicate with them-self in the way Martin so elegantly describes.

Re: Breeder issue

Martin Atkinson — Thu, 08 Nov 2012 16:21:33 GMT

It depends on the terms the client has the dog on, sometimes they are not outright owners, they are on 'breeding terms' so the mug of a client gets a cheap dog but the breeder retains ownership and the right to make decisions on treatment options and to keep control of the the progeny as much as anything, plus let themselves off the cost of keeping it. If however your client is the legal owner I would be telling them to tell the breeder (as someone else so eloquently put it on this forum): 'to go and perform an anatomically impossible carnal act upon themselves'. Why is it that breeders so consistently appear to be the only form of 'human' life lower than pikeys!

Re: Breeder issue

Nicola Lawlor — Thu, 08 Nov 2012 16:12:34 GMT

The owner needs to cut ties with this breeder and make her own decisions based upon qualified advice. I am guessing that you are a newish grad anon? You will meet lots of clients where the breeders have told the owners something really rather against sensible veterinary advice about things. You need to shrug these sorts of revelations off and stand firm but polite with the owner and reassure them that you are far more qualified to make decisions about the veterinary care than a breeder - you can still (tongue in cheek if necessary) acknowledge that breeders do have lots of experience etc whilst still not actually agreeing they are right, thus keeping your client on side.

The client does not have to do what the breeder says here at all. The breeder has no rights to the dog once she has sold it. If she doesn't tell the breeder what is happening then the breeder can not give her a hard time!

I agree with the above - ask the owner to speak to a specialist if they need further explanation and convincing at all.

Re: Breeder issue

James Laidlaw — Thu, 08 Nov 2012 15:51:53 GMT

+1 - animals are generally treated as property in legal terms aren't they? Doubt they'll be interested in breeding advice given the sound of things...

Re: Breeder issue

KMurphy — Thu, 08 Nov 2012 15:49:47 GMT

Surely once the client has paid for the puppy then it becomes her property and she can treat it as she feels best? Is there any need for the breeder to be involved beyond letting them know that the problem is there so they can manage future matings better?