What doctors don't tell you

Re: What doctors don't tell you

Tim Cheyne — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 14:36:46 GMT

[quote user="alex gough"].......feed raw foods,...... [/quote]

Oh, no, not back to that again!

Tim.

Re: What doctors don't tell you

Niall Taylor — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:02:57 GMT

Aww, thanks Jo

Cheers,

Niall

Re: What doctors don't tell you

Jo Cobbett — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 11:33:11 GMT

[quote user="Niall Taylor"]

Well whaddya know.....

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Where are the stars when you need them! *****

Re: What doctors don't tell you

Niall Taylor — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 11:22:54 GMT

[quote user="alex gough"]Where have you been Niall? Go and join in the fun on the What Doctors Dont Tell You blog.[/quote]

Well whaddya know, I had crafted a response and toddled along to find that all comments have been removed without any explanation so the world will just have to manage without my pearls of wisdom this time around. Why am I not surprised - homeopaths are the ones who shout loudest about freedom of speech and "let's have the debate" yet when they hear anything they disagree with it's up skirts and away in a flurry of ad-hominem attacks; you can't see 'em for dust. They are all far too wrapped up in their own dogmas, prejudices and circular logic to be able to tolerate rational debate

For all their claims of compassion and caring I don't believe that homeopaths have any real conception of medical ethics. There really is too much evidence around that it's totally ineffective to be able to believe otherwise.

... why am I getting a sense of deja vu? Must be a glitch in the matrix

Niall

Re: What doctors don't tell you

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Tue, 09 Oct 2012 17:18:11 GMT

[quote user="Mark Holmes"]

[quote user="alex gough"]

"Sodium Fluoride is in our water supply, food, pepsi, coke, to dumb down the masses, literally!. The fluoride was introduced into the water by the Nazis and the Russians in their concentration camps to make the camp population docile and do not question authority.

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On the plus side, we all got great teeth Win some lose some!

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Nah, 'cos the Pepsi and the Coke still rotted 'em

Come to think of it, Pepsi and Coke do a pretty good job of dumbing down the masses, with or without fluoride.

Re: What doctors don't tell you

Mark Holmes — Tue, 09 Oct 2012 15:41:21 GMT

[quote user="alex gough"]

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On the plus side, we all got great teeth Win some lose some!

Re: What doctors don't tell you

Alex Gough — Tue, 09 Oct 2012 15:40:32 GMT

Where have you been Niall? Go and join in the fun on the What Doctors Dont Tell You blog.

On a similar subject I've just been lent a book called the Canine thyroid epidemic by Jean Dodds. Take home message seems to be don't vaccinate or worm your dog regularly, feed raw foods, and if there is anything wrong with your dog, it is probably hypothyroidism, even if the tests appear normal.

Alex

Re: What doctors don't tell you

Niall Taylor — Tue, 09 Oct 2012 15:30:31 GMT

Even more puzzling is why the compond Sodium fluoride should cause calcification .

What a story though, a massive cover up in order for governments and big business to supress all our pineal glands so that they can...

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... a big cover up by big government to supress our pineal glands - oh nose!!!

Niall

Re: What doctors don't tell you

Alex Gough — Tue, 09 Oct 2012 09:25:22 GMT

Who would have thought your pineal gland was so vulnerable to calcification. I wonder why it doesn't show up on MRI. If you google pineal gland there is a lot of stuff about it being the seat of your third eye, and being deliberately damaged by the powers that be by fluoridation to suppress the masses. I particularly love this quote:

I am not a conspiracy theorist, but..."

http://www.mysticbanana.com/pineal-gland-our-third-eye-the-biggest-cover-up-in-human-history.html

Re: What doctors don't tell you

Evelyn Barbour-Hill — Tue, 09 Oct 2012 00:44:25 GMT

www.youtube.com/watch

Re: What doctors don't tell you

Alex Gough — Mon, 08 Oct 2012 12:58:24 GMT

Good man! Yeah, and he even had the frontery to say : “It's very hard to stand up to an entrenched view you think is wrong” - can’t disagree with that! Seen plenty on here in that vein."

Pots, kettles etc.

Alex

Re: What doctors don't tell you

Simon Neuhoff — Mon, 08 Oct 2012 09:38:15 GMT

[quote user="alex gough"]

How about you speak out here Simon, where in the comments, a farmer is defending his decision to treat the painful condition of mastitis with homeopathy, thereby in my opinion causing unnecessary suffering.

Alex

http://lynnemctaggart.com/blog/199-elephants-in-the-room

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Done. Nothing we say is going to change Oliver's mind but might be able to convince those who are "on the fence."

Re: What doctors don't tell you

Alex Gough — Mon, 08 Oct 2012 08:04:54 GMT

Alex

http://lynnemctaggart.com/blog/199-elephants-in-the-room

Re: What doctors don't tell you

Simon Neuhoff — Sun, 07 Oct 2012 14:37:39 GMT

[quote user="alex gough"]

Yes really shocking. And yes, more people speaking up against unproven alternative practices would be great. Most of our profession don't see it as a problem, I feel.

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Well I for one think it is a problem. Addressing it with clients is not easy - no one likes to have their beliefs rubbished - you have to be delicate.

In the veterinary field I think it is arguably even more important that we speak out. The patients are relying on their owners and on the vets to provide their care - they don't get a say in the decision making. Not only are the owners lay people and often unable to distinguish between medicine and hocus pocus but they are also frequently poor judges as to whether the animal is suffering or sick and even whether it is improving or not. All of us have had clients bring in non weight bearing animals and say " I don't think he's in pain - he's not crying." or an animal with horrific dental disease "He can't be in pain - he's still eating." or confidently assert the animal is much improved when it hasn't eaten in days, is severely dehydrated and lost massive amounts of weight.

To my mind if we go along with clients who are using unproven alternative medicnes we are given those treatments tacit legitimacy. The argument that it does no harm is not correct - given that owners aren't great judges of how their animals are doing some will choose to use alternative options instead of effective treatments as they believe they are helping and this can lead to suffering and neglect.

Re: What doctors don't tell you

Alex Gough — Sun, 07 Oct 2012 14:31:12 GMT

The debate about what doctors dont tell you has turned a bit veterinary:

http://lynnemctaggart.com/blog/199-elephants-in-the-room

Re: What doctors don't tell you

Simon Neuhoff — Sun, 07 Oct 2012 11:26:16 GMT

[quote user="Gerry Henry"]

[quote user="Simon Neuhoff"]

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I've just been reading a related thread on a (non medical) forum on the danger of quackery. Of course this is at the extreme end of the scale - few homeopaths would advocate abandoning all conventional therapy to treat a condition such as colorectal cancer, but it shows how vulnerable people in desperate situations can become. Sadly the lady in question was not just let down by her homeopath.

I should warn you that both links, especially the coroners report, make for grim reading.

The Coroner's Report: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/history/2012/0407dingle_coroner.pdf
Letter from the patient to the homoeopath sent before her death: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/history/2012/0407dingle_letters.htm

By way of light relief http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtYkyB35zkk

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Just read that in full. Christ the poor woman.

From a veterinary perspective, and with reference to the failures of the two doctors Barnes and Tabrizian this sentence struck me: "

any apparent legitimisation of these regimes could provide mixed messages for vulnerable and often desperate cancer suffers. "

As vets I think we have a duty to speak up against homeopathy and similar unproven alternative practices to prevent this situation arising in our patients.

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Poor woman my ar*e, anybody that daft should be up for a Darwin Award, sorry.

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Gerry yes she has to share in the blame. At the end of the day though she was a lay person who was needy and vulnerable. She chose to put her trust in people who portrayed themselves as able to help her. Her own husband was complicit in this and two doctors failed to strongly advise her against what she was doing. They too were complicit in the situation - one DID advise surgery but only once and not strongly and then gave her an unproven treatment which he claimed would help. To my mind - and in the mind of the coroner - this also influenced her to stick with the alternative approach and ignore the surgeon's advice.

Sadly lay people are not qualified to make judgements about their treatments - they make their calls based on the info they are given and they are not always able to judge the quality of that information. In a situation where you have national bodies recognising homeopathic and other treatments (and vets and doctors practicing homeopathy) many people think these are legitimate options. I know a number of people who are intelligent and knowledgable in their own fields and yet believe in some of the more legitimate sounding alternative options.

Re: What doctors don't tell you

Gerry Henry — Sun, 07 Oct 2012 09:55:25 GMT

[quote user="Simon Neuhoff"]

[quote user="Laurence Webb"]

I should warn you that both links, especially the coroners report, make for grim reading.

By way of light relief http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtYkyB35zkk

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Just read that in full. Christ the poor woman.

From a veterinary perspective, and with reference to the failures of the two doctors Barnes and Tabrizian this sentence struck me: "

any apparent legitimisation of these regimes could provide mixed messages for vulnerable and often desperate cancer suffers. "

As vets I think we have a duty to speak up against homeopathy and similar unproven alternative practices to prevent this situation arising in our patients.

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Poor woman my ar*e, anybody that daft should be up for a Darwin Award, sorry.

Re: What doctors don't tell you

Alex Gough — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 19:56:52 GMT

Yes really shocking. And yes, more people speaking up against unproven alternative practices would be great. Most of our profession don't see it as a problem, I feel.

Re: What doctors don't tell you

Simon Neuhoff — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 17:11:51 GMT

[quote user="Laurence Webb"]

I should warn you that both links, especially the coroners report, make for grim reading.

By way of light relief http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtYkyB35zkk

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Just read that in full. Christ the poor woman.

From a veterinary perspective, and with reference to the failures of the two doctors Barnes and Tabrizian this sentence struck me: "

any apparent legitimisation of these regimes could provide mixed messages for vulnerable and often desperate cancer suffers. "

As vets I think we have a duty to speak up against homeopathy and similar unproven alternative practices to prevent this situation arising in our patients.

Re: What doctors don't tell you

Jo Cobbett — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 17:01:31 GMT

[quote user="Laurence Webb"]

I should warn you that both links, especially the coroners report, make for grim reading.

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My god, that's horrific

Re: What doctors don't tell you

Jenny Smith — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 14:13:22 GMT

Good old Tim Minchin, gets everything into perspective in a 9 minute mildly musical rant :)

Re: What doctors don't tell you

Laurence Webb — Fri, 05 Oct 2012 21:21:44 GMT

I should warn you that both links, especially the coroners report, make for grim reading.

By way of light relief http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtYkyB35zkk

Re: What doctors don't tell you

Alan Tevendale — Fri, 05 Oct 2012 18:16:20 GMT

[quote user="alex gough"]

Very true. The cover of Cosmo last month had the headline "8 new ways to orgasm". If they were genuinely new, surely the discovers should be up for some sort of Nobel prize?

Alex

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Regular reader are you?

Re: What doctors don't tell you

Julie Innes — Fri, 05 Oct 2012 17:45:46 GMT

This cheered me up :).

but reminded me of another of my bugbears- the things that advertiseres DO tell you, that make no sense- "now with microspheres" (on some age-defying make-up or something) and recently an advert I keep hearing on the radio for Esso- "We pride ourselves on developing fuels that work at a molecular level" - what level do other fuels work at? What does it mean? Hate all the pseudo-science- its gotta be worse than the slightly shady science surely?

Re: What doctors don't tell you

Bob Russell — Fri, 05 Oct 2012 16:42:15 GMT

[quote user="alex gough"]

Very true. The cover of Cosmo last month had the headline "8 new ways to orgasm". If they were genuinely new, surely the discovers should be up for some sort of Nobel prize?

Alex

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A knighthood and a very grateful human population at very least!